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Hello! On the Jadam book is suggested to use 500lt of JMS for a surface that goes from 1.000 to 33.000 square meters...500lt are intended to be diluited or is it the already diluited amount?

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"In our climate the brew is ready for spreading (diluted 1:20) in maybe 24-48 hours."
https://brisbanelocalfood.ning.com/forum/topics/jms-jadam-microorganism-solution

500 divided by 20= 25

In the above link the recipe calls for diluting 15lt at 1:20= 300

Until verified I'll second guess a Korean and say the 500 LT is after dilution.
 
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Burl Smith wrote:"In our climate the brew is ready for spreading (diluted 1:20) in maybe 24-48 hours."
https://brisbanelocalfood.ning.com/forum/topics/jms-jadam-microorganism-solution

500 divided by 20= 25

In the above link the recipe calls for diluting 15lt at 1:20= 300

Until verified I'll second guess a Korean and say the 500 LT is after dilution.



Hello Burl,
thanks for the link, I'll check.

On page 163 of Jadam book I've discovered a little table where Mr. Cho says "500lt of JMS can be diluited"..so this means 500lt of JMS if diluited by a factor 1:10 (if dripped, 1:20 if sprayed on leaves) can cover a surface from 0.1 ha to 3.3 ha, but how can I understand what is my case? It means 500lt of JMS can make 5.000lt of solution.

How can I understand what's the amount needed of the solution for my surface?

Thanks,
Fabio
 
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hau Fabio, Once you make your full strength JMS, it needs to be diluted for spraying on the soil at 1:10 and it needs to be diluted to 1:20 for using on leaves and stems.
Mr. Cho tends in his book to leave out which dilution, if any, he is talking about, this is probably because he thinks most people will have read his fathers book and thus have the understanding that all preparations are only used after being diluted.

The quantity needed per hectare is what you are looking for so you can calculate up what quantity of diluted JMS you would want to use.
It is important to first determine how you want to use the JMS so you will be able to make up the correct dilution then figure on using 100L of solution per hectare, this will give you maximum benefit without under use or over use of your JMS.

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Bryant RedHawk wrote:hau Fabio, Once you make your full strength JMS, it needs to be diluted for spraying on the soil at 1:10 and it needs to be diluted to 1:20 for using on leaves and stems.
Mr. Cho tends in his book to leave out which dilution, if any, he is talking about, this is probably because he thinks most people will have read his fathers book and thus have the understanding that all preparations are only used after being diluted.



Ciao Bryant!
the diluition is specified, what isn't specified is the use of that diluition on how much surface (or better, is specified but from 1.000 to 33.000 sqm is a very wide range to me)


The quantity needed per hectare is what you are looking for so you can calculate up what quantity of diluted JMS you would want to use.
It is important to first determine how you want to use the JMS so you will be able to make up the correct dilution then figure on using 100L of solution per hectare, this will give you maximum benefit without under use or over use of your JMS.

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Okay...so are you suggesting me a 100lt (to be diluted) JMS is okay every 10.000 sqm?

Thanks.
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apparently working from the same practice Harry Solomon in in a link connected to another thread
https://permies.com/t/69926/JADAM-Korean-farming-experiences-tropics
recommends a vastly higher dilution compatible with larger areas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm_IlcluV24

The recipe differs somewhat from that linked to in my first response to you:
http://culturalhealingandlife.com.www413.your-server.de/index.php?/topic/46-inputs-section-11-imo-3%C2%A0cultivated-indigenous-microorganisms/
 
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yes indeed Fabio, that would be the coverage.

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Bryant RedHawk wrote:yes indeed Fabio, that would be the coverage.

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Great, thanks! is this your direct experience? My surface is just about 2.000 sqm, but i'm preparing 1.000lt of undiluted JMS. I have to find a way to use it...because for my vegetable garden is too much!!

Thanks,
Fabio
 
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