I don't know about you, but I know when I was a beginning gardener I had this notion that inputs were bad. But the more I learn about people who do it on larger scales, the more I realize there are all sorts of inputs, and it's normal. It doesn't have to be toxic gick kind of inputs, and it can even come from your own place if you're lucky enough, but I think it's fair to say that there's nothing wrong with bringing in stuff from outside, especially if you're removing it from the waste stream. I wish I had realized that years earlier than I did, I definitely would have had better soil and better outcomes.
It looks to me that there is no way to attach user defined data (to prove which payment it is) to a transaction.
As all transactions are public, anyone can claim to have made any transaction.
The only safe way that I see would be to create a wallet per user (that wants to pay with bitcoin). Then you can tell the user to transfer X to that wallet and once enough has arrived, it counts as paid.
re-posting from the podcast thread (and btw it's in part 2 of that podcast, not part 1):
now that i'm more up to speed on the "why not to vent rocket CO2 gasses into a greenhouse," I'm going to ask, "what about venting rocket CO2 gasses into a greenhouse?"--and, specifically, what if you did it in a more minimalistic, Fukuoka-y way? you just let things take their course.
Could this be made in a way that is discipline-free, safe, leaky, quite open to the outside but capturing a bit of the gas closer to the point of exit?
Could it be a greenhouse that is only growing algae or dinosaur plants--i.e., whatever DOES like to grow under these (admittedly weird, non-natural) conditions?
Here's my thinking:
--discipline-free: there are certain routines that people will tend to follow, and one of them is making coffee in the morning. (I don't, I start my day off with chocolate, but that's a topic for another thread). If there's a particular rocket stove for making coffee only--ie, it has the coffeemaker attached to it in a way that can't really be separated from it, maybe a chain--the people will make coffee in the morning on _that_ rocket stove only, and so you'll get extra boost of CO2 in the greenhouse/halfway greenhouse thingy every morning, not at night. The other rocket stoves for lunch and dinner won't vent into the greenhousy thing ever, only the coffeemaker one.
--safe/idiot- and guest-proof: there is no way to get into the greenhousy thing except by climbing a ladder, crossing a moat filled with crocodiles, etc., and the only reason you ever go in there is to harvest algae out of it or something of the sort.
--easy: dinosaur plants, a completely non-technical term I am making up on the supposition that at one time there were plants or plant-like beings that lived long before there was any noncombusted oxygen in our environment whatsoever, such that they can thrive under any and all conditions, or at least get by under all conditions. I tried to grow duckweed for some quail...for a friend...but all I got was algae. So, I figure if it's even easier to grow than duckweed, it's easy. It's almost just a problem rather than a solution. So I am thinking that you just let whatever grows in a tub of water grow in that tub of water, and be unconcerned about what it is, and something good has to come out of it in the yield of carbon capture/energy you can put into use as fuel.
--open: I understand that a greenhouse generally has to be fairly well sealed to be of much use as a greenhouse, but since Paul's doing his truly passive greenhouse that means I get to do my truly passive greenhouse. I think mine just freezes at night and starts up again in the morning when the algae or the whatevers thaw out. It's up on the roof, remember, by the chimney, so of course it doesn't have any geothermal help. It may stay frozen on cold days too, but so what if it misses a few, it's just trying to capture some of the carbon, not necessarily get every last drop.
--soot: the first few minutes of the burn aren't clean, but once it reaches temperature there's a passively-opened valve that responds to the presence of heat only. If it fails, no worries, then you're just not capturing that carbon but venting to the sky as before. If it succeeds though it diverts some of the carbon dioxide-water stuff into the algae greenhouse. Or maybe it's an active vent but you have to stand there holding a handle up to keep it open--if you let go (or even try to get around it by leaning a heavy object against the handle) it's just going to fall closed again. You can stand there and recapture your carbon while drinking your coffee and chatting, but the second you step away, back to venting to the sky as usual.
Downsides I can see to this--the carbon could sink down to the house below. CO could. Mold. Mold is OK in that greenhouse since no one goes in there except to harvest.
what if you forget to harvest? I guess it eventually gets overgrown with something, and you've got broken glass falling on your roof. Maybe better to use homemade bioplastic instead of glass.
Well, if a tiny ad can defy gravity, why can't the power of half-assed-ness defy dangers aplenty?
or what about a TEFA instead of greenhouse--open-air greenhouse-ish thing?
could an algae thing be a reasonable transitional technology--that is, not as bad as a solar panel in terms of manufacture/sourcing of materials and able to lead to electricity supply?
I am working on forming an organization here in Colorado around technologies and techniques that would be useful in permaculture designs. Your expertise would be invaluable for our first event: modifying an existing dam to pump water, compress air, or make small amounts of electricity as the seasons demand. If you would be interested in being a guest expert in person or over teleconference, please reply to the email address below.
I do remember me such a poop hole, in Yoegoslavia, I was in it in de night, poop was frozen before it did reach the bottom, did boinck, so
temperature was quite deep into the minus on that mountain top, (80+ km only climbing) happenly I did survive that challence..
So i've been digging a bit deeper and since 2015 this is less cut and dried. the Local Service District of Kingston merged with the Fundy Regional Service Commission which covers a number of formerly independent LSD's with each other, including Saint John. At that time they together adopted the the 2010 Building Code of Canada. I was a bit worried when I heard that, but according to some interpretations it shouldn't matter because the doc I've shared previously ( http://laws.gnb.ca/en/showfulldoc/cr/2002-45//20150108 ) is provincial law, and should take priority over the building code generally. That would mean that the doc cited should stand regardless, but you would need to vet that with the Fundy RSC in Saint John.
I recommend giving them a shout at the office and asking if the document (REGULATION 2002-45 under the Community Planning Act (O.C. 2002-202)) - still stands as the baseline for building standards in the province. It seems that technically it should, that coming from a former building inspector (not me... another in the region) especially considering there is no more mention of plans in place by the Kingston LSD in the Fundy RSC website ( https://www.fundyrecycles.com/planning-building-inspection/planning/land-use-plan/ )
The guy who was up until recently if isn't anymore a BI for the area was/is Brian Shannon. There are others and at least one is less interest in thinking outside the box.
I would rather have a well managed non-profit than a poorly operated for profit business...and vice versa.
My wife works for a non-profit nursing home, and there is nothing better for the residents that will live out their days there. There is not 2 businessmen misering money to make their lives miserable, instead the money is funneled back to the residents so they can live out their lives with dignity...and fun. They really go all out at that facility for the residents.
Myself, I do Rock the Flock every year and we struggled getting people to play at the concert until we started paying them. It is sad, a person would think people would be charitable for charitable organization, but that is not how it works, it takes money to run anything.
Here in Maine, 20% of the work force works for non-profit agencies...
Keeping this response strictly aligned to natural fabrics, I personally can only recommend two types. My favorite natural winter fabrics are wool and silk. Wool is obvious. Silk might make some people scratch their heads and give me some funny looks.
But silk is a great, GREAT base layer. Clearly it is soft and smooth and therefore comfortable next to the skin. It also is surprisingly warm while having absolutely no bulk so it is great for layering. It sits close to the skin without being tight, thereby creating dead air, exactly what one wants from an insulator.
I try to avoid cotton. Even though it is soft and fuzzy, it soaks up water (from the environment and your own body) and in doing so becomes more conducive of heat—exactly what you don’t want.
First we need to divide between continuous and discontinuous systems. Discontinuous systems are filled, digest and emptied. Lot of work. Pretty useless for a toilet.
Continuous systems are usually filled with water so that the entire environment is anaerobic. One the one side something goes in, while the same amount gets out on the other side.
So a flush toilet that comes with water is ideal because if you want to get the shit into the system water is the ideal transport medium.
The digestion process is not exothermic. It needs to get on temperature to function properly.
With the humanure of one family you are not getting far. There is not that much energy left in humanur. If you can combine it with compostable non-lignin containing material you will get far better results.
In my opinion humunur in a biogas system is always just an addition to the other stuff that you are feeding in when we talk family scale digesters.
If you want to get away, far away from the city, and still have DSL or fiber optic to the home, Come on out to South Brewster County, Texas. You can find places here that are 150 (or more) miles from the nearest Walmart and that have DSL and/or fiber optic running through the property and available to be installed to the home. It runs about $100/month for service. I've opted out of paying for a connection like that and instead use the VERY weak to non-existent cell signal with a plan that is nearly free. I don't have much data allowance but it works for me. When I want to download large files, I visit one of several WiFi hotspots.
Now if I decided to live on a floating permaculture island, hanging out mostly in international waters then I'd be in a situation of most likely very expensive and slow internet or just doing without except for when taking a boat into port and hanging out at a WiFi hotspot.
Tina Paxton wrote:I'm wondering if anyone uses the Natural Farming techniques for poultry raising.
Hi Tina, if you visit Jadam website should be something. However if you read the Jadam book on page 170 there is a little paragraph called "JMS is also useful for livestock". You can spray the JMS on the floor, or use it (diluited x20) like beverage. Using kombucha you'll have just a part of the microbiome. If your floor is made with ground i'll go for JMS. It's easy and inexpensive. In more it create an odorless environment.
It is true, if they are destabilized, it wont help to have electricity, it wont stick. Even then, much more than communications or internet, lights and water, possibly medical refrigeration on a small scale has proven to go a long way.
There is a facet, i cant remember a term for it. It involves deploying appropriate technology early in development of just these types of societies so that reliance on and familliarity with renewables will be the technological road people are on from basic services of personal lights on up to village power.
Yeah, it's looking like beekeeping will get combined with Animal Care. I'm really interested in seeing how that badge pans out, because it covers SO MUCH. Will people need to learn all the different animals, or basic care and then specialize in a type of animal in the higher levels or what?
It's kind of like the Textile Badge---there's just SO MUCH included in there (textiles has upholstery, mattress and tent making, basketry, knitting, crochet, leather-working, felting, weaving, growing and processing and spinning fibre, and sewing and quilting )
Same here (old fashioned life) if I cannot afford something I either save for it or do without, never owned a credit card in my life and because of this attitude I have a very poor credit rating which is just fine by me, I'll stick with my "make do and mend" life.
If a show ever happened I could really see some highlighting of community where viewers get to know a core group of people who are working to demonstrate the projects being developed/competed on over the course of the season(s). People would get to know and like the folks and want to see how they're doing/progressing. I also like the idea of having some repeat segments in a show such as visiting demonstration sites that might be famous to permies (or not), but not to the general public, in order to highlight something that site does that's awesome. Another repeat segment each show could be going to the kitchen where, for example, this week a pile of persimmons came in and a bunch of cooks are showing off what they can do with them...maybe the community members vote for best recipe of the week....maybe that turns into the base for release of the Permies.com Cookbook and is a new revenue stream to fund projects? Would also be great to get people salivating for all the wonderous new foods that they've never heard of before which would make them want to get cracking on planting out their own edible landscapes. That gets me back to the 2 million question....investments in lovely edible landscape designs and that kitchen investment to host the cooking segment could be candidates.
I also very much like the idea of doing your own version of the program on YouTube. So many potential things to do, so little time. Neat topic!
I came across something and thought "i can make yogurt with this!".
An inexpensive egg incubator.(65.99 free shipping). Maybe not inexpensive for yogurt makers? We bought it for eggs, but it controls the temps to a preset temp you choose. Once your cultured is added, just stick the jars in to hold the temp
Here are 2 pics. The top shows the temp control. The side pic, i was guaging the height (currently have eggs in there). Looks like interior height is 4-1/4". In 2 weeks i can confirm this and see what size mason jars fit inside. The heating element is in the lid.
I liked the idea of people who could get some kind of equity / dividends by investing in whatever permaculture project they wanted. The idea would jump start a lot of projects, and successful investing would cause a lot a lot of reinvesting in the next chosen project to invest in (which is what KIVA claims)
It doesn't have to be permaculture, either. FoundUps is based on the same principle, but for any 'Startup'.
Last I heard, they even chose the Ethereum platform as the way to do this. I believe there was a delay after Ehtereum forked.
Edit: Sorry, Mike, I missed your post. You -do- remember.
I will list my place Qberry Farm. It is far out from Purdy highway 16 to highway 302 then out the Key Peninsula highway.
I sell produce through the Fres Food Revolution which is an internet ordering co-op. From the Facebook link above you can arrange a farm visit to see my operation and bick berries to preserve.
Fire retardant chemicals are designed not to wash out of clothing. So with second-hand cloth we are starting with these chemicals, then we add to them scents, soaps, softeners,
One more thought and then I'll stop:) ...apparently, fire retardants are not a worry in most new or old cloth or clothing except in childrens pajamas/clothing and more likely drapes, upholstery and stuffings, some childrens toys and mattresses, futons, fabrics used in public places....plenty of places to hide, just not so likely in our new or used clothing or towels and bed linens. http://www.toxicsinfo.org/kids/toys/FireRetardantSleepwear.htmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-retardant_fabric I just quickly browsed a few sites...there are many more out there of course. I think it sounds like a chemical we can generally avoid in most used or even new items.
I'm looking forward to seeing more projects here, so glad R. got the ball rolling......I've been warping my loom in my head
Found this thread. You can do a trailer. Mobile homes used to be just that, and family friends in the mid 1960's had a 6' wide by 35' pull behind trailer house, not an RV. They moved it four times in three years and vintage was early 1960's for it. They had their first child in it. On a very rural farm in a zone 2b climate/area. (they insulated the north side and around the skirting with small 'square' straw bales to deal with -45f plus windchill). He was able to get an 8' x 42' and it was a mansion compared to the first one (eventually it was a 12x65, then they added a 16x16' room onto it and lived there until they retired.
The key to lack of kitchen is to set up an outdoor kitchen during seasonal food processing. She canned outside, processed chickens, everything, outside on a propane fired set of burners. They put up a shed to store that stuff in, and act as a 'central courtyard' windbreak as well.
Here at our prairie museum, they have moved/recreated a dugout that was built in the early 1920's, sod roof, that isn't much bigger than 120 sq ft. They raised three children in there. You can tour it when the museum is open... the small wood stove that was cooked on, a table that had enough chairs and the spice cabinet sat on it, a set of shelves to hold some cooking stuff, the washstand and chamber pot with lid, and a wooden chest. Then there was a bed that folded up. Everyone shared the same bed. It unfolds to about a full size and everything else in there has to be stowed. Looking at those walls, no windows, and a dim lantern, um yeah, that would be a REAL case of cabin fever. However it was shelter from the elements and I'm sure weather permitting everything that could be done outside WAS done outside. So that may work for situations like this. A real mobile home that's towable or homebuilt RV that could also be removed from chassis and put on piers/foundation, with storage shed or sheds, and a plan to set up and use an outdoor kitchen as needed.
I see this thread is a few years old. Hope the land has been bought, and living is underway.
Moe Quinteros wrote:I want to compost my grass clippings. Although I have never treated my grass, how can I know if the previous owner treated the grass? I bought my house 4 years ago. Presently, my yard has plenty of dandelions and other various weed. Previous posts mentioned that if persistent herbicides are present, dandelions would not grow. So can I assume any non-persistent herbicides in my grass/soil (if any) can be broken down with a nice hot compost?
It is all a matter of probability. We could go through hundreds of scenarios and assign them all probabilities, but I think the best path is:
your grass is probably safe enough. Go for it.
Of course, I think I would prefer a much lazier approach of leaving the clippings there and improving the soil in place. Or using the clippings for garden mulch. But, that's your call.
i do the same thing. i have k. stropharia and elm oysters coming up around all my trees and bushes! i use pure hardwood chips from a firewood business nearby. was told they won't grow on conifer chips. is there a lot of conifer in your chips? we have a lot of spruce chips available from timber production but i didn't use it as i didn't think it would work for them.
Billy Sawyer wrote:Hey Paul its two years later. Do you have any updates on your pond? Does it function as intended? I have recently and hastily built a pond out necessity and plan on building more downstream from this one. I am curious to know how this turned out.
The pond I build in the pics was in 2005. I heard back that it was doing great in 2006. I have not tried the technique since.
Tom OHern wrote:I saw that you also posted in the Humanure toilet vs biogas digester? thread. Did you read all of that before posting this question? There are a lot of good thoughts there. One of the reasons I don't think it isn't done more often is that in order to produce enough cooking fuel for 1 or 2 people, it takes almost 1000lbs of human waste and an adult produces about 1lbs per day so that is a lot of input for very little output. It just isn't a cost effective system for biogas production. Now, if you already have a biodigester set up, it can handle any human waste that you add up to its capacity, but if you just have human waste, you are probably better off composting it via the Humanure method.
There are large scale system that have been done, but they are not cheap nor simple. They involve heat treatments systems for the inputs and UV sterilizations for the effluent output. When you say a "large number" how many are you saying?
Hi Tom OHern,
Thank you for your prompt reply. We have 500 people working in a industry 24/6 and 365 days. We want to use this biogas into the burner of a 100 Kg/hr Boiler.
I should have mentioned that the local concrete company will donate the concrete materials.
We have found that engineering an older (2001) greenhouse is a real challenge. It wont meet 2012 International Building Code for load capacity or wind load. That means we need to beef it up, which wont be cheap.
We have talked with a few retired construction managers, I believe we can get one of them to lead the erection of the greenhouse.
Most companies we have talked to have never built a greenhouse and they seem afraid to try it. So far only one company has been willing to even bid it.
Matt Armstrong wrote:What about thin 3/8 to 1/2 in bamboos? Is it worth the time to split 'em? Also, how would be the best way to split such thin bamboo stalk?
burn a few and test it out, they might be small enough to just pop minimally and not really explode dangerously. if so i'd just hit the joints with a hammer.
i have bamboo splitters that split it 3 and 4 ways, but for burning it only needs to be cracked to not build pressure , technically.
Stuart Pedasso wrote:
It seems tens of thousands of acres across the state remain upside down just due to the cost of setting up this needed infrastructure prior to building anything.
Were it not for this primary factor, I could show you hundreds of listings right now for parcels five acres or greater, all for under $1000.00/acre.
I agree, I know for a fact Mariposa country specifically bans them.
Stuart Pedasso wrote:
The usual stock answer of 'just do it your way and get away with it for as long as possible' not only promises to serve freshly baked Disaster Surprise to your American dream, it also really spits in the face of the neighbor who had to go through all of the channels and expense of dealing with the system before being able to do the same.
However, if the counties usually allow buildings under a certain size, often 10x12 without a permit, to me, using a composting toilet opens up possibilities. You seem experienced and knowledgeable, got any thoughts on that?
Stuart Pedasso wrote:
This just does not seem to me like the right way to make an impression on people I hope to live a long time near.
In many rural counties, if you don't have a boat and some wrecked cars on your property, you are going to be thought of as crazy anyway, and I have always found sharing food and some beer builds a few bridges.