Lina I have no experience with this because I suck at composting. I think letting your chickens pick through it is a great idea, they do the work for you, and get a snack in the process. My only concern is if they poop in your compost if it will be to strong and kill or do harm to your seedlings. Maybe if you sift if when they are done? Good luck 😃
I think if I were in your position, I would have a very hard time not fighting back even more angrily. However, from a distance and with the luxury of it not being me whom they are attacking, I think letting it distract from all the other good things you are doing is counterproductive. I don't agree with everything you've ever said, but as someone who enjoys learning from you, appreciates your research and projects' educational and practical value, and having enough of a bullshit meter to see through the hate mongers, I would selfishly like it if trolls weren't such a pain in the ass for you so you could just focus on the awesome ideas you have and projects you are working on. I would probably be less tactful than you in your position. I think your insights are spot on about how the troll filter has improved the quality of of folks going to the Lab. I try to apply this mentality when I get excessively concerned about what others think of me. Mainly I just wanted to say that I appreciate the work you've done and how you've put yourself out there and seem to do your best to walk your talk. I know many others do too.
We used to have a Maine Coon cat—a huge, gentle soul of a cat. He was 20 pounds but his voice was never louder than a tiny “eek”.
We would go to the farmers market to get peaches and set out any that were still slightly green so they would finish ripening. If one of the peaches rolled away from the rest, our Main Coon would jump up on the counter and sit on the errant peach like a chicken on an egg!
MY SOLUTION TO PILL BUGS
10 years ago I moved to Sedona, Az and began turning my 1 acre plot into an heirloom, organic garden with dozens of beds. The 2nd year I was attacked by earwigs that ate everything in sight. Took me all summer to get them under control but it was doable. I noticed tons of pill bugs but they weren't bothering my crops that year so I ignored them. BIG MISTAKE! The next year I had a Super Explosion of pill bugs. They ate almost everything (except my tomato plants and carrots). I'd plant out seedlings and the next morning they would be gone! I would just find piles of pill bugs! And I couldn't stop them. Millions of them! Some have suggested that my garden must be out of balance. Yes, it was! I was amending my soil and trying to garden in high desert country, providing food where there had only been cactus and scrub oak before! The bugs found heaven and began procreating like crazy!!
I tried every suggestion I found online. Most of them like D.E. And Neem oil were useless. Some were slightly effective.... Place grapefruit rinds or cardboard down, lift them up in the morning and step on the bugs, sink a soup can down into the dirt and fill it half way with beer then dump out the dead bugs, sprinkle coffee grounds around the plants. I couldn't possibly drink that much coffee, the cardboard didn't attract enough of them, I really don't like grapefruit all that much and the beer worked great but would have cost me a fortune! I really had millions! And nothing here seems to like to eat them.
It took me 4 years to finally get them under control but here's what I did. I learned to practice really good garden hygiene all the time, even now that I don't see too many, because they come back quickly.
1. I took away all the mulch they live under. It's 100+ degrees here all summer and I would love to mulch, but I can't because they quickly come right back. I plant things together so they can shade each other.
2. When I pull my plants at the end of the season I remove every scrap of the plants and roots and even the weeds and leave the soil bare. Nothing to eat, nowhere to hide.
3. I moved my compost pit as far away from my beds as possible.
4. I don't bring my compost up to beds until it is 110% finished, till it looks and smells like great dirt and has no bugs in it.
5. I found one organic insecticide that works, Spinosad. It's not cheap but a quart makes 16 gallons. I spray my seedlings and a few inches of the dirt around them the minute I plant them and then every 3-5 days for the first 2 weeks or so. Then they have a good chance of surviving. Then I watch over them like a hawk and spray whenever necessary.
6. The minute I see my peas or beans coming up I spray those beds with Spinosad too, same as the others. Spinosad is made by several companies. You can find it at any garden center/hardware store. Sluggo Plus contains Spinosad but is not as effective. I would need to use a lot of it.
7. I always trim off the leaves from the base of every plant when they get big enough so that I can clearly see every stem and watch for trouble. Spray when necessary.
8. Plants in the squash family are their favorite. I thin the leaves on these too so that I can see the stem and once they start to grow well I place something under the vines to keep them off the dirt as much as possible. I use rocks or sticks or pieces of wood, whatever I've got.
9. Similar to cardboard I make traps out of old 1-2-3 gallon pots. I place some rocks and and a little dirt in them (2-3 pounds seems to be the weight they prefer) and place 1-2 right next to the crops they love. As I water my plants each morning I lift the pots, step on all the bugs under them and spray them with water to keep the soil moist.
This took awhile but it is working well for me. So..... ANYBODY HAVE ANY GARDENING SOLUTIONS FOR CLIMATE CHANGE BECAUSE THIS IS BLOWING MY MIND!
I saw someone mentioned Zaytuna Farms. I received my PDC from Geoff Lawton and crew. He does make money from his farm production. Check with Permaculture Farms in Vermont. Probably Ben Falk would be a goo start. There are also Compost creators in Vermont that make a good living in Vermont as well.
I’m in Georgia and I am researching how I can farm commercially staying true to permaculture. I understand why farmers here poo poo the idea of permaculture from the tax credits they receive alone following the rules of industrial agriculture. It’s hard to explain the long term benefits to folks who see the dollars from state and county.
Maybe one day all states in the U.S. will offer subsidies to farm holistically.
I am hosting a workshop on Climatic Factors this Sunday (1/24/21) for the Permaculture 201 course I am teaching for our local Wild Rivers Permaculture Guild. It is supposed to snow, and as long as it doesn’t endanger participants getting here and back, I hope it will, as snow would be a better modeling medium than the gravel and clay I have to work with otherwise. I have a few other activities in mind (ie modeling our regional and home landscapes to demonstrate landforms’ climatic and weather shaping power) and plenty to talk about, but I always love to learn and use new activities that facilitate hands on experiential learning.
If you have any activities that you have participated in or led that tie into the Climatic Factors chapter of the Designers Manual, I’d love to learn about them. Even if you see this after the workshop, please share. I am also interested in any experiential, hands on activities you might have for other chapters. Thanks.
So I think we are missing the point somewhat or leaving out the most important. The best conclusion for a life is that it was a happy one. Permaculture is so nice because it teaches you in a short course what would take a long time to observe from nature. Part of that teaching is that if you really want something, then figure out a way to get it without making someone else buy it for you. Part of that teaching is that more money will not necessarily buy you more happiness. This morning I woke up thinking of how something positive can come out of all this. We should get together with our local people (neighbors), and our small towns (community). We should realize that we all have strengths that we should contribute to help, but that we should ALL contribute. This would make us all happy and fulfilled. No need to fight each other or to watch so many bad examples. For some of us, we already have great communities that is made more interesting by different colors and ethnicities, but we are watching what is happening afar and applying it to our great community. We should all slow down a minute, shut off the electricity, and realize that the treasure can be in our own backyard. There will always be a few bad apples to exclude from that circle. If they are excluded much, perhaps they will change their mind, move, or just keep their own company.
Western Red Cedar is perhaps the worst tree to try to grow mushrooms on. The reason that it is prized for its long lasting wood for decks is because it has natural anti-fungal compounds in it. That makes it very difficult to intentionally grow fungus in it. I would make fencing, decks, raised bed sides or any type of project for which you want the wood to last a long time without toxins.
Wow I have to think sometimes that my phone can read my mind as I've been considering a huge change in my life ive lived in this city on the east coast for going on 2 yeats now and im ready to leave it all behind and go off grid. And what does my phone do but lead me right to this blog for some reason i definatly believe the universe works in mysterious ways. Im really interested in this idea and have been
Thinking alot about going back to the west coast. Im a carpenter and have all my own tools if you are still looking for people to join you on this please feel free to email me at email@example.com
Nicole Alderman wrote:I just found out about these spiffy pants that have a discrete "fly" for women so they can pee with ease.
Wow, that's wonderful! I wonder if they would be useful for horse riding... I don't see why not? That's how I'm seriously outdoors, these days... can't pee in the garden as someone would see me for sure. Maybe I need to plant more trees and bushes ;)
Sepp Holzer recommends making it as steep and tall as possible for its width. It will naturally get shorter and wider, but starting steep makes for less compaction, and easier working of the bed, as the top is in arm's reach, if big enough maybe you'll need to lean over one knee. This has worked for me, but just keep the inevitable slumping in mind in you pathway design and bed spacing. I underestimated this and made some areas inaccessible with my double-wheeled barrow (which, by the way, is vastly better at moving heavy stuff 99% of the time).
I should correct my previous post. It seems I misinterpreted what I was told. The spraying occurred on native plantings at another part of the campus. It was still unacceptable, but it was not on the food forest site.
Hugo Morvan wrote:Happy to hear the Siberian temperatures did not happen where you are. Minus 38 degrees Celsius (-36,4F) in the Pyrenees ain't no fun and it's bad for trees in Scandinavia, let alone Spain!
Do you have something like a strategy for climate chaos?
Well, weather is crazy! In Madrid we had lots of snow, the city was paralized. In Denia, not snow, but cold and lots of rain.
My strategy is:
- Vegetables: Add to the beds always something a bit out of season
- Seed cocktails: Adding not only mediterranean stuff, but also continental or tropical.
Climate is nuts, so I put a bit of everything and we will see what thrives
Ken Crum wrote:New to the site to but lived in Siskiyou county CA most of my life. Quickest setup other than buying an existing home is to build a manufactured home. We were able to build one with new well and septic as well as new power and phone for 200k, not including land cost, in 2019
Ken, what brand home did you go with? I'm currently looking at Skyline and their build quality seems to be great.
Alders are our primary native nitrogen fixators, and host fungus beneficial to most native conifers. Thimbleberries, ferns, wild blackberries, salmon berries and raspberries, salal, currants, elderberry, nettles, devils club, sorrel, gooseberry, hazelnut, are edibles that grow underneath in the wild, doing best in edges where they get some sun. Here in nw California, tanoak, madrone, big leaf maple and vine maple all succeed alder as understory trees as the shade intolerant alder it gets displaced by conifers.
I am happy to announce a job opportunity as Food Forest Program Manager for the Del Norte and Adjacent Tribal Lands Community Food Council. I will be moving on to focus on my own 25acre property and design consulting, but will be available to train my successor and support them and the site however I can. We have at least one great candidate from our local Wild Rivers Permaculture Guild, so please apply only if serious, qualified, and willing to commit to this place and the wonderful people involved with the food forest. The formal job description is in the attachment below:
Food Forest Program Manager
Location: Crescent City, California
Employed By: Family Resource Center of the Redwoods
Reports To: Food Program Director
Time Commitment: 40 hours per week including some evening and weekend hours. This is a temporary position funded through December 31, 2021. Extended employment in this position beyond that date will depend on additional funding and is not guaranteed.
Compensation: $20.50 an hour, plus monthly health and wellness stipend, retirement benefits, and paid vacation/sick leave.
Application Deadline: This position will remain open until filled. The first review of applications and interviews will begin on January 11th with a desired start date of January 25th.
The Del Norte and Tribal Lands Community Food Council (DNATL CFC) is seeking an energetic, collaborative, passionate, and experienced Food Forest Program Manager. This is an exciting opportunity to work as part of a team in increasing health, well being, and access to food and farming knowledge through projects in one of California’s most beautiful, isolated, and socioeconomically disadvantaged regions.
This position will be headquartered in Del Norte County, the breathtaking northern corner of coastal California. This region is home to Redwood National and State Parks, the Wild and Scenic Smith River, miles of rugged Pacific Ocean beaches, and four federally recognized Tribes. There are abundant opportunities for hiking, camping, surfing, and kayaking.
About the DNATL Food Council
The DNATL Community Food Council works to build a vibrant local food system that provides healthy, affordable food to all DNATL families. Our programs are organized around four primary objectives: ensuring food security, growing our local food economy, shifting DNATL’s resident food culture towards healthful foods, and establishing a resilient regional food system. The DNATL Community Food Council is housed within the Family Resource Center of the Redwoods (FRC) and works closely with many government, Tribal, and non-profit community partners.
DNATL is one of 14 communities within The California Endowment’s Building Healthy Communities (BHC) initiative: a ten-year, place-based, equity-focused program aimed at improving health outcomes for all residents. The DNATL Community Food Council was founded with a BHC grant in 2010 to bring together all area food systems stakeholders to advance healthy food access and consumption
for Del Norte and surrounding tribal lands residents. Due to an extension, 2021 will be the final year of the BHC initiative. The following are examples of current DNATL CFC work:
• Convening the Del Norte Food Security Taskforce comprised of over a dozen collaborating organizations, meeting regularly to address food insecurity in the County.
• Designing and carrying-out summer Food and Farm Academy and Camp at the Taa-‘at-dvn Chee-ne’ Tetlh-tvm’ Food Forest in Crescent City. • Maintaining the County’s only choice-based food pantry; sourcing locally grown food items; and expanding food bank programing.
• Collaborating with the Office of Emergency Services and partners in Humbolt County to design a resilient regional food system and ensure emergency food preparedness for regional residents.
• Executing a CalRecycle Food Rescue project, currently having recovered and redistributed over 75,000 pounds of food that would otherwise have gone into the landfill.
• Working with the Nature Rights Council and Yurok Food Sovereignty Division Manager to support and further food security and food sovereignty initiatives for the Yurok Tribe.
The Food Forest Program Manager will play the lead role in designing, implementing, maintaining, and ensuring the longevity and programming of the 60,000 sq. ft. Taa-‘at-dvn Chee-ne’ Tetlh-tvm’ Food Forest located at the College of the Redwoods Del Norte in Crescent City. She or he will work closely with the Food Program Director through strategy consultation and program design, carrying-out the following essential job duties:
• Lead a community visioning process for the site, fostering buy-in and establishing a steering committee that will be integral in ensuring the vision comes to fruition and is sustained into the future.
• Establish and maintain collaborative relationships with the agriculture teachers and other pertinent partners at Del Norte and Sunset high schools and CR to design and implement a student farmer program at the site.
• Recruit and supervise volunteers to help maintain the site, including interns/crews from the Yurok Tribe Youth at Risk Program, and the Del Norte Unified School District’s Transition Partnership Program (TPP) and WorkAbility I—which provide comprehensive employment services to youth with challenges, impairments, and/or disabilities.
• Plan, execute, and oversee all site production and maintenance including ordering and starting seeds, using and maintaining tools and irrigation system, planting, harvesting, composting, pruning, weeding, etc.
• Collaborate closely with the Director of the College of the Redwoods to compose an acceptable MOU and Land Control Agreement for the site.
• Establish a functioning farm stand run by youth in the student farmer program.
• Design, lead, oversee, and supervise summer Food and Farm Academy and Food and Farm Camps.
• Plan and carrying-out logistics for workshops, trainings, field trips, and events at the site.
• Carefully track data and budget relevant to the programs and operations of the site.
• Be willing and able to assume new/unspecified duties as necessitated by being a team member of the DNATL CFC, and as the food work grows and evolves.
• At least two years of demonstrated skills and abilities in stakeholder collaboration, community organizing, and building and maintaining effective partnerships.
• Adept at creative problem solving and able to produce desired results independently with little supervision.
• At least two years of experience working in a food production capacity. • At least two years of experience in a supervisory and/or leadership role. • Passionate about building sustainable food systems.
• Proven ability to work effectively as a member of a team of diverse individuals.
• At least two years of experience designing and managing programs or curriculum in an educational setting.
• Experience working effectively with Tribal nations, populations of low socio economic status, youth, people with disabilities, and in rural communities. • Bachelors or professional degree or certification in food systems, sustainable
agriculture, education, program management, community organizing, or related field.
• Experience working in or managing a farm education or summer program.
To Apply: Email a cover letter and resume to firstname.lastname@example.org, with “Food Forest Program Manager” in the subject line.
Questions: Contact Amanda Hixson at 707-464-0955 ext. 2116, or email email@example.com.
Equal Employment Opportunity/Reasonable Accommodation:
The FRC is an Equal Opportunity Employer and does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national origin, ancestry, sex, religion, sexual orientation, age, disability, marital status, or other non-merit factors in its hiring practices, including the
process of recruitment, selection, promotion or other conditions of employment. In accordance with the Americans with Disabilities Act, we will make reasonable efforts during the interview process to accommodate people with distinct physical or mental requirements. If special accommodations are necessary, please contact the FRC (email firstname.lastname@example.org or call 707.954.0955 ext. 2116) prior to your interview date.
Here in New Mexico, fireplace flue vented adobe bench beds of various sorts are called "shepherd's beds." At the working historical museum, El Rancho de los Golondrinas, some have been reconstructed and are part of the education program. Maybe a revival of the term, "shepherd's bed" would be helpful. I'd rather relax on a shepherd's bed than any synonym related to rocket.
Rosie Carducci wrote:I hope it's ok to revive this discussion. I"m just now reading through PDM for the first time.
It seems to me that much of the section on Zone and Sector Analysis applies more to a much larger property than I am envisioning for myself, or at least one with much more variation in climate and elevation. We haven't purchased property yet, but we will likely be starting with about an acre or less of essentially flat land. Should we be actively looking for something with more slope?
I think the point Mollison and others generally made was that flat, arable land is often the most expensive to buy and costly to maintain if energy inputs are accounted for due to inevitable wind on flatland and the lack of potential kinetic energy which elevation change provides that can be harvested in myriad ways. If it was flat and arable, it has likely been plowed to death. Having moved from somewhere too flat (flooding) to somewhere quite steep (300ft over less than 1/2mi) I agree with Trace that it can be easier to work on flatter land, but it has its downsides too. I think one of the beauties of permaculture design is how it provides methods for finding competitive advantages in markets and ecosystems that we can turn towards supporting the other living things that support us. It really depends what you want to do, and what you value. If you can find a situation where those things will work well on a site but they are not as valued by the seller/market, I think you can find a nice sweet spot.
I love this thread! It hurts my heart that most of the kids I deal with have never so much as climbed a tree, or own rain boots/gear...
I think the key for kids is to remove the "dirty" taboo. Kids NEED to lie on the ground, watch ants at work; ponder a slug or snail from the creatures perspective; dig in the dirt, playing with worms and beetles. They need to beachcomb, find shells, rocks, sea glass. They need to climb trees, get sticky with sap, pick strawberries or cherry tomato's they watched grow from sprout to bud, to flower to fruit; watch the bee's and hummimgbirds pollinate; see how water perks up a drooping plant.
Stuff peanut butter into a pinecone, roll in birdseed and watch the birds enjoy. Build or install proper bird houses. Go on quests to FIND bird nests and or other animal/insect homes... Show that all living things need food, water and shelter, just like them! Show them that EVERYTHING has a life and a purpose (even those we don't like or are afraid of). Share the wonder of a spiders Web hung with water droplets; or watch one encase a bug for dinner later. Seek the rainbow on a sunny day, dampened by a rain shower. Find shapes in cloud formations (Look, a duck!); watch the stars; stay up late, lay down on the ground, snuggled up in blankets during meteor showers...
LET THEM COLLECT STICKS, SHELLS, ROCKS, SHED ANTLERS, FOUND BONES and the like. Use them for art projects, mobiles, windchimes...let them "weave" with flexible green sticks, then see how they harden as they dry.
To me it is all about experiences, experiments, and just plain silliness sometimes. As long as it is FUN, the "learning" of empathy will naturally and spontaneously occur as the various cycles of life unwind, and the rest of nature just carries on about her business.
But most of all kids need good rain/snow/hiking boots so they can squelch in mud and splash in puddles; good outdoor gear so they are comfortable, not cold or wet. Then turn them loose, be it a back yard, a park, or ANY outdoor environment, let them play, explore, and GET DIRTY!
Jen Fan wrote:We have been trying to find a cold hardy grape for our climate. We're zone 3 and have struggled to find grapes that might even survive in the greenhouses. I've got a big pile of "cold hardy" zone 4 rooted cuttings over-wintering in one of the greenhouses right now, not sure any of them will survive.
A super cold hardy wild variety would be awesome! I read a little about them, this was the first I heard of them, and they seem like a perfectly edible grape? Am I correct in what I read?
Try Valiant Grape. We have a couple struggling to establish here in zone 1b (not in a greenhouse) and they produce tiny clusters of grapes in spite of our zone. They should work well for you. Apparently, every cold-hardy grape is a cross with Riverbank/Vitus Riparia.
Hi! My good friend & I are amazed by your offer here! This sounds like what we are talking about tonight...our kids are established on their own,and we are looking for a positive change,and living environment. Extremely interested in Learning !! Please text us. We are serious , and won't let you down! (....we also have a steady , fixed income!)
I think it depends what you mean by "things". I think most people put their trees too close together, but then don't plant enough support species. I know I have done that very thing. I don't want a closed canopy and I would like to avoid cutting down trees that I planted and grew for 6 or 7 years, so I'm spacing trees farther apart now.
With other layer species, as well as support species, all bets are off. I plant all sorts of things, most very close together, and let them sort it out. Lots of my bushes and such are native plants that I thin from areas on my land that they grow themselves. Nature thins it trees, bushes, and smaller plants anyway as they grow, so if I remove some and put them in an area I want them, I don't believe it harms anything. You can plant an awful lot of plants for no cost other than your time if you propagate from other plants that grow naturally on or near your own land.
I do tend to clump some of my trees as Mike said. I do the same with bushes and smaller plants. In nature I see things growing that way. Flowers often grow in drifts, and obviously most plants propagate themselves in one area and spread, so I try to do the same. Certain species like mint you may want to be careful with. They can take over an area pretty easily. I still plant lots of it, it's just something to be aware of. I figure nature will take care of most of the mistakes I make.
I've been growing out Sepp Holzer's rye since 2008. I've teamed up with a couple of grain growers with machinery and we've now scaled it up, and we have 20 acres planted. I have 100g packets of Sepp's "Siberian" rye for sale on my website. I am now looking for Sepp Holzer's wheat. I knew one person in the US that had some, but none of it sprouted for him. Does anybody else have some?
if you looking for something that will produce a good crop there are some fantastic blueberry varieties that have been developed in the past 20 years that do extremely well.
you might take a trip out to the floral city area to get a look at some of the fantastic blueberry operations people have in that area of the state.
I was there when all the citrus died off in winter of, I want to say 1982 or 1983, somewhere about that time just about all the citrus died off north of just about Frostproof and traveled though the state documenting it for a school project.
there are a few here and there that still grow. I have a friend in Gainesville that has a couple citrus trees planted in like kids pools that were still growing last time I was there a couple years ago, but, they are protected by HUGE ancient oak trees and other overgrowth.
pictures tell 1000 words and I see what your property looks like, no overgrowth protection, how many acres do you have there?
Just found this forum, saw the clickbait-ish title and, even tho' it is 2 years later, had to add my $.02 worth. As a textile person, may I draw your attention to "faggoting", an embroidery stitch which has been PC'ed to ladder stitch. Also as a history buff, may I point out that WWI British tanks carried "bundles of sticks" so they could use them to cross ditches.
All interesting trivia bits aside, I would like to thank all the staff who make this site possible. May your holiday season be happy, merry, healthy and full of meaning and love.
Ben Zumeta wrote:I just think this problem begs for rethinking how we can serve the animals who give us regenerative resources for our own survival, like wool or silk.
Today I happened to see a video on Yaks in Tibet and a project called mYak. It's about producing yak yarns while helping the Tibetan nomadic herders. The yaks have a 'winter coat', which they shed, the herders just have to pluck it. The yaks are very important to these people, they care for them very well.
Gather natural wood, when when swale is dry dig the swale deeper, save dug up clay/soil on tarp or wheel barrow, drop wood into deeper dug trench, cover wood with all saved clay/soil. You can do this hard work in steps/number of weeks or days..