Ryan Tillman, did your community come to be? My husband and I are moving back to Gilda County to a house he built by hand with dad and siblings. We are retired now and looking to bring it back to life. But we are also interested in buying land for another place and Valle sounds like a possibility. It’s been a few years since your thread was active. Wondering if it worked out for you and if the community is active and looking for new members.
My thought is the idea of building the structure to be underground did not work out and Zac went a different direction, perhaps completing the build as an above ground structure? I say this as my recent discovery of and interest in this thread primarily in regards to aspects of water intrusion and longevity of underground builds, was to inform my own projects. Looking at all of his great pictures I had a couple of questions regarding the project that came to mind including wondering if the earthwork had created a bowl into which water would flow over time from surrounding terrain. My thinking on underground roundwood structures was that they need to be sited so water naturally flows away (duh), regardless of any impermeable layers on top. Also from the pictures I wondered if the walls could withstand lateral pressure when the outside was infilled with earth. Lastly, the structure rises above the surrounding site, seeming to belay it being able to be underground entirely. Where would the soil to cover an over 3,000 square foot structure that rises 10 or more foot above ground come from? That would be an enormous mound of earth to achieve any reasonable insulation from the elements. The build started in 2010-2011 and reading through the thread my hope was the last page of the thread would include photos of the at least partially buried structure and interior shots of a livable structure.
If I was Zac at the point he stopped posting, and assuming my thoughts on issues with the site I outline above bore out, my thinking is I would grade the area around the structure to reduce water flow towards the structures foundation. Missouri, especially the area around Zac has been subject to some very substantial rain events in the last few years and the expectation that will be come a regular event may have been the final straw. In any event Zac should revisit his thread and give everyone closure on how things worked out.
Triato Vallejos wrote:I´ve travelled trough Yucatan, Quintana Roo and Campeche in México and seen this kind of terrain. I´ve not worked on it, but thod of a few ideas that may help.
Finally, I don´t think we are obligated to mantain a fully hidrated landscape (or all of the landscape hidrated), maybe it would be more economic to use windpower to pump from a well hi in the terrain and use a water saving irrigation system like ceramic capsules to irrigate some areas. Concentrate efforts where it is worth it and have low intensity production in others. A long term strategy would be to establish and tend deep rooted threes of hi value so you can stop irrigating them when they reach the water table.
Good luck to all who live in such geology.
I live in the Arkansas Ozarks. We have so much rock in the soil it is impossible to dig with a standard shovel. You hit a rock within 0.1 inch of the surface. The soil drains so incredible fast. When our neighborhood has a leak in the water pipes, you don't see anything at the surface. The water does not percolate to the surface no matter how big the leak. It simply goes into the ground and goes down, down, down. At least there is no problem with the septic field percolating. I am working on increasing the organic material.
brandon gross wrote:Thank you sir. Sorry to ask, but how would one find his contact info? I see he is part of your amazon store, and his name pops up a hunderd times on the forum search but contact info.
I am a permaculture consultant, designer, contractor, and educator working nationally, I would be happy to offer some workshops for your community. I have been working with notable Permaculturist Sepp Holzer for over three years now and am his leading student in North America (not my words but his). There is a wide variety of workshops I could offer within Holzer Permaculture and at this point feel comfortable teaching about most of his work.
I have also worked with and learned from many of the other top names in permaculture (Darren Doherty, Ben Falk, Michael Pilarski, and several others) and am very good at making sure I don't offend or put off anyone in my presentations and seminars.
You can find out more about my work at www.HolzerPermaculture.us www.ElementalEcosystems.com and www.PerpetualGreenGardens.com. I have worked and taught in a variety of climates, from Ecuador to the Yukon Territory and I would love to start spreading these techniques more in the Southern United States.
You can contact me via any of the websites listed above, it sounds like a great project your working on I would love to be able to help contribute to the work you are doing!
I live in Northern ky, and currently working on the trench for our cob home. I'm posting updates at my blog and on youtube. Also, we have grown food for the last 3 yrs and working towards permaculture/polyculture systems.
For the link to the blog: http://veganslivingofftheland.blogspot.com
I raise Muscovy - but mine are for eating mosquitoes and for meat! They are delicious and not fatty. The males will fight big time - I've had something akin to a murder scene on my deck before as they will pull at each other's heads til they bleed. Once the males reach puberty - I'd suggest culling and smoking - oh on a bed of spring lettuce with goat cheese and pecans - nothing taste finer!
Also - on the ducklings- they take at least 35 - 37 days to hatch and it's difficult to really tell when it begins. So, yours *could* have still been a day or two away from hatching. My gals slowly go broody. By that, I mean that one day, they'll be on the clutch a little while, this will last a few days. It takes almost a week before they are totally dedicating their time to sitting. Also - make sure the momma has some water to splash around in. Most eggs will not hatch in an incubator because people cannot get the humidity right. I have always observed my gals taking more baths right before they hatch out. I've never had any issue with the first clutch from a new mom. Water - a small pool is a must - from my experience.
Right now - I've had issues with the momma's having food and water separate from the rest of the fowl as I free range everyone. Also = I have mine pair up with cochins who successfully hatch out my muscovy and blue swedish meat ducks. I have over 100 fowl running around now so too many lay eggs alongside the ducks and just mess everything up! My gals and their eggs are penned up now but later, I will have them small pools...which will have to be removed after they are hatched. I have ponds too. So - after the ducklings are a bit bigger, I let them all go and have momma take care of them. I do lose a few, but it's the trade off. I want them to forage for food as best they can. I let mine lose too - they always fly back and when they go broody - they stay around the house. Having said that - one of my neighbors has 7 from a hatching that don't want to come back. They have a stocked fish pond with a feeder! but the momma came back and is now on her 3rd clutch in the barn!
I hope this information helps - I do love the Muscovy!
Natasha Turner wrote:We have a plethora of beetles in our hive right now. It has just been moved from a farm about 20 miles away. Most likely, the bees were stressed for a few days, because we had a makeshift entrance reducer on during the move that we were nervous to pull fully off. The bees were extremely active after the move, in the middle of the night. Hubby pulled off as much as he could and took off running. A day later, he went to see about pulling it out again, but they were still very active. Two days after that, when he was away at work I heard the bees very loudly from far away and upon approaching noticed they were in a columnar form from the hive to the top of the tree above them.
I thought they were swarming, so I manned up and got geared up to check the bees myself, for the first time ever. When I pulled away the shirt [makeshift entrance reducer], the folds were filled with beetles. Some ran back into the hive, others dropped to the ground. I tried to research what to do, but the opinions are so mixed that I finally went with the opinion of letting the bees deal with it themselves (since I had at least gotten our mess out of the way).
Was this a good way to "deal" with it? Should I do more? They are considerably calmed down now. There are active bees still there. I don't think I have the guts to open the hive myself. Would it change anything?
Seeking more knowledge than I have . . .
It's almost always an okay choice to do nothing, when it comes to bees. But it's hard to say exactly what is going on with your hive. A swarm is an intentional event by bees - it's how they reproduce. One hive turns itself into two - and you can't mistake the sound - very very loud, sort of a freight train sound, or a low-flying airplane, or a blow dryer way up close...
Bees that are "extremely active"... well I guess I'm not sure quite what that means - but bees that are moving through the air in a column, that sounds like a swarm... but you should have seen them coalesce into a tree or a shrub or off some structure. If you are a little more experienced in future, you will likely have a bit more of an idea of what is going on in the hive before it gets to that point. A hive that is about to swarm will have queen cells, drone brood, and plenty of worker bees in the hive. They may also be feeling short on space, or crowded if you will. It takes less than two weeks for a colony to swarm from beginning to end, so you will have plenty of opportunity to learn about inspecting in future, that's my bet!
Last week a previously un-introduced neighbour approached me for a donation of worms and castings. It seems I am getting a reputation for sharing my little babies to good homes. I raise native earthworms that have travelled with me from house to house using the green pre-food choppings of a Thai restaurant. The neighbour told me that the cost is generally 37.00/ lb.
I think i am in the wrong business, at least in the summer when they are most plentiful.
Jared Williams wrote:. . . my wife and I have a newly purchased property on 5 acres of densely-wooded forest with a high canopy of tall/thin Pine trees which stand about 80 feet. Much of the day's light is robbed from the vegetation on the ground, but we really want to install a food-forest and herb garden system. All too often, we see homeowners massacring large amounts of forest to get more sunlight to the desired area, without concern to what effects it has on the overall environment. . . .
We are desperately trying to figure out what is the best strategy in getting the most out of our situation, while maintaining the forest's natural beauty. Also, if you don't mind me asking, do you have any other suggestions that would steer us in the right direction? We don't want to chop down the whole forest just to get more sunlight, but we want to be able to sustain our own vegetables and spices at the same time.
Hey Jared, you'll never guess what Geoff Lawton gave as an example in his online PDC that I'm taking right now! I copied it down, so I could write it out for you. I thought you might get some inspiration.
"You've got a client who says: 'I've got a five acre property full of pine trees. I'd like to diversify the property and put in a one acre fish pond with acid-loving crops around the edge (blueberry bushes mulched with pine needles). What do you think?' [He then draws a picture of a square property with a square pond in the middle, edged with blueberry bushes.]
"Permaculture Consultant (Geoff): 'It's not a bad way to think, but you really missed out on patterning. We can give you twice as many blueberries and quite a few more fish without losing any more pine trees. [He draws a picture of the same square property but this time with a pond in the middles that looks like a paint splat with 'fingers' coming out of the edges and still edged with blueberry bushes.] A pond like this is easier to build. The fish feed from the edge. Some parts will be nice and shady. There is twice as much space to plant blueberries, but there are still four acres of pines. Through edge and diversity, you extend the potential productivity.'
"If edge can be put in as patterning that harvests nutrient, that harvests water, that reduces stress on the landscape, creates buffers and windbreaks, creates organic matter, increases the stability in your environment, the benefits start multiplying over the area without losing anything on other elements. Patterning is an enormous opportunity to increase what's possible. Some elements prefer to grow in particular edges."
Anyway, let me know what you think. If you think it helped, I can keep my ears open for more ideas during the course. All the Best, Natasha
Natasha Turner wrote:Mr. Savory, all I can say is WOW! My husband and I are both so honored and thrilled that you would take the time to write such a detailed reply. My husband just keeps saying over and over, That's really cool. I will email you to sign up for the newsletter. Thank you again.
Likewise! Mr. Savory, thanks. I'm just going to buy the book now and skip the class. I don't think I can make Africa, but I'll do my best here and get the newsletter. I feel very fortunate for having been involved in this project that you and Paul Wheaton have made happen!
Leila, you're spot on about how so many of the settled folk in this 'new world' north america are fundamentally alienated from the land. An artifact of colonial history. Homesteading's probably a good cure for that, but it might take a few generations yet. I guess all the newcomers were homesteaders to start with.
anywho thanks for listening to my ranting =)
i really do think about this quite a bit, its not just some abstract ideas...these are things that i think about all the time and it trips me out.
and its really strange in this country, because we all know that we live on stolen land. or well idk, maybe people just dont think about this way, but i feel like....this having been how this place started off...well theres some weird feelings, guilt by association, unfairly really placed on all of us...because the people who did all those things are long dead...but the weirdness of it still lingers on here...to me anyway it does. and theres some lesser spoken about things that happened with the creation of this country, like how many people were also kicked off their land..kicked out of where they were from and sent here, many by force- not choice.
it is really too bad that homesteading (as in free land for homesteading)
is not legal anymore. or something like it, some kind of relief for people who are burdened with huge land payments and house payments, people who want to grow food who cannot due to not having land and the absurdity of (so called) "real" estate and its over inflated fake values..
actually to me, it seems the most natural thing for someone to find an appropriate spot and say...hey this must be the place!
and create shelter/grow food/homestead.
i truly believe it is total weirdness that people have to buy land...i suppose buying a ready made home is one thing, because there needs to be compensation for the labor and builders who made it ready to go....but its so far beyond something like that...in that you just have people trying to make money from their homes/land...and not in a way that can work..
the capitalism applied to land, and that those who wish to farm but have a hard time affording even small plot of land, this is all really bizarro to me.
i do think it can change, and is changing, too slowly, but not to say there arent some ways to work within this now....i hope more and more options, communities, affordable land....starts coming up for people and theres more and more alternatives and possibilities for the people.
the way things are now all the wrong sorts of people are the ones who can afford way too much land only to profit, and those who just want to inch along, grow food and have a small sanctuary are unable to do so , or its a very difficult for them. i am not totally against private property, i think there are different things this speaks of...someone having their small sanctuary that they connect to and love on the land, build a structure, take care of- to me this is what would truly entitle one to consider a property theirs.
i think humans are territorial too, everyone needs private sanctuary, so i can understand that kind of private property, sovereignty.
....i am just opposed to exploitative, capitalist, private property paradigms...and the whole real estate market weirdness.... of people who seek to profit without that way of owning that requires caring for the land, and responsible stewardship. i do think there are rare souls who do have it in them to steward large amounts of land, but i dont think these are usually the same people who are able to do so...and those who can are usually the least cut out for that job, or role.
anyway maybe people dont see it as such, maybe this all seems like its not relevant....and see all this stuff as separate issues, i see this as one of the root causes of almost ALL of the social problems we have. the neo colonialist paradigms, people who use land to profit without any connection to it, without responsibility or caring for it, the nearly impossible task of just finding a place to be and the insecurity this creates in everyone as a whole. the attitude that everywhere, even public space, BLM land, is basically now like someones backyard or is treated as such....and the headtrips, the colonialism weirdness...all of this affects our social cohesion, our relationships, so much...
i really think this is one area, is a root cause, if this were set to right, if homesteading were legal, or there was access to open/abandoned/raw land/farms for free (well to improve with sweat equity) or if at least it was more reasonable....
this would make many of our other problems fade away. it would also instantly revitalize our economy..as this is one of the main causes for it being so messed up (imo). it would also make our food supply much more stable, as there is obviously a huge relationship between food and the land...and that many people cannot currently have enough land, or get the initial costs together to start producing their own food and eventually surplus food for others.
and if this were available i think people would also be able to be more nomadic, but in a healthy way...more like doing loops between several places, or being able to stay somewhere for a while...and then move onto another place.
i dont think this is neccessarily unhealthy, i feel like ideally people would want to have a little of both- be able to explore, be able to have long term food project/home base...and make it much easier to be working together with other people in a community project .....would make this more possible ...as in people could share the jobs and rotate between different locales.
i think its not too much to say- we want both! home space and some freedom to travel occasionally.
not being locked into mortgages and such....
there could also be more community projects, and less pressure and difficult obstacles in creating and maintaining community spaces.
ah enough of a tangent for this morning, sun is shining, i should shut up and get to it !
To get into thea building trades you mayto have to move to a State still experiencing growth. Maybe areas of Texas or North Dakota?
Otherwise, work in IT is easy to come by, pays well and is stable. It might be worth sticking it out for a few years (until the building trades stabilize). A tough choice and one I've had to make, too.