I think i can manage that. Just sprinkle the seeds all over the yard? They dont need to be planted? Do i water it? Pretty big section. Now these will be effective for me trees even if i mow over them? I read some people use them in place of a lawn. It grows in the fall and winter?
Unfortunately like i said i wont be doing anything this fall or likely winter. Can i plant all the support stuff in the spring? I wont be planting the trees until NEXT fall...
I doubt i will be doing anything so complicated as your Tea id need something simpler/less time/money consuming.
Do your support species stop the grass/weeds from growing?
Charles- I watered every day, which it turns out i didnt need to do if done properly. Mostly i have had problems with my roots not developing/leaving the hole, which Bengi has cleared up for me in a lot of ways. I never see ants or anything and yet i get diseases/fungus or some type of critters (no animals have access to the trees other than squirrels and rabbits which i have never seen near them). So im not sure what is the main cause....my ignorance/cheap quality trees/poor root development etc etc etc
I want to start over next year and try and do it properly from the beginning.
And here is another tip: probiotics/soil life
1) Apply a worm compost tea foliar spray to the fruit tree leaves.
2) Apply a native mushroom slurry splash
3) Inoculate the bare roots of the fruit tree when you plant them
What do you inoculate the bare roots with? Or are you referring to #2?
I saw a site that said to put cardboard down to keep the weeds away. But it didnt really explain how much cardboard, how wide etc.. it said then pile the compost or mulch on top of the cardboard. It said keep it from the trunk of the tree. It made me wonder how you water the tree, but you sort of answered that.
What do you suggest to keep weeds away from bareroot trees? Or will the compost/mulch etc... handle that? If so how close to the tree should it be piled? How high?
You really seldom have to water your plants? simply because the root system is so advanced? Even down here were we get wicked 90-100 degree heat? The one "green thumb" in my family always believed in watering daily....
Great ideas thank you im definitely changing my approach. I saw an article but it seemed extreme. It said to draw a circle around the tree the likely mature width of the tree. So in some cases we are talking 25’. It said cover the ground with cardboard to stop weeds and then pile on 18” all the way around mulch or compost, there were multiple ways of doing it. And then they talked about planting some stuff like you said. But that seemed extreme and expensive for a bare root tree. A few more questions. So i shouldnt prepare the ground in anyway ahead of time? And if you plant in the fall how often do you water? What about winter? Thanks again!
I am now considering waiting a year until next fall, didnt want to but if in the long run it will improve my chances im going to seriously consider it. Id like to learn more. Im going to read up whatever i can find.
What did you mean by not having to worry about watering/root system if i planted in the fall? You dont water them? The Roots dont grow? Do they go dormant at some point? How then exactly would you take care of them?
Thank you again for your help. I wish i could plant in the fall, which is almost upon us sadly i will not be able to. If i wasnt 56 years old i would wait until next fall, but id like to get this stuff in the ground and get it going. Plus i enjoy doing it. So for me it will likely be spring unless if something changes and then it would have to wait a full year until next fall.
When you say plant the other plants, i get the reasoning....but do you mean just sprinkle them throughout the property? Or around the plants? I'll be mowing regularly wont that reduce their effectiveness if im constantly cutting them? Or do i need to let them actually grow? In which case that presents a different problem.
Thanks for your reply, let me try and address your suggestions....
1) Yes I wont buy on the "cheap" anymore
2) The trees are really what i am interested in. I am interested in certain shrubs (blueberries) and have dabbled in them. Not sure if i want to get into "viney" plants (I wasnt aware raspberries and blackberries grew that way, i tried them). I really am mostly interested in the trees (Apple, Pear, Plum, Peach, Cherry etc...)
3) When you say sprinkle the compost etc... When? I likely will not be able to take on this project again until spring, i simply wont have the money and have other projects occupying me now... So if i plan on planting in the spring, when do i sprinkle?
4) Im not a proponent of planting alot of stuff i have no interest in, thus i stay with most of the traditional. My Grapevines btw were out of control they grew great, i took them out. I didnt set up my trellis system the way i ultimately would have wanted to and preferred a different location.
Thank you for the nurseries. I have used Stark brothers before, wasnt aware of the others.
My questions still pretty much stand....if i plant in the spring and basically go with the stuff your telling me not to how do i improve my chances of success. Clearly better quality from better sources i get, but ammending the soil, keeping disease and fungus and insects away, fertilizing etc...
Thank you again. I used to go to Mass quite alot. Im a Red Sox fan, plus i used to Coach Basketball and travel alot through New England.
Im in SC (originally from CT), rain varies year to year. This time i listened to my brother (the green thumb) and basically made sure i watered my plants everyday. I wonder if that was too much, but we get alot of 90+ wicked heat days here. My Soil is mostly that sandy stuff but down under it must be pretty good because everything grows, alot and fast. I couldnt believe how fast some of my plants grew. I have about 150 x 150' area or so in my backyard i used for planting. Alot of direct sunlight...
Twice in the past 4 years i have attempted to grow some fruit trees and shrubs. 4 years ago my well broke and after spending months running around with watering cans i finally gave up and let them die, couldnt do it. This time i around i just bought alot of plants from Lowes and Home Depot (The first time around i spent alot of money online at the various main sites. I didnt put in any real research and minimal prep work (some had some mulch, or miracle grow etc...). Everything grew wonderfully for months and then one by one disease, fungus, insects or something or other started killing them off one by one. Now i know i should have spent more time researching each type of plant and its particular needs. I also know that buying from Lowes and Home Depot i probably got bottom of the barrel quality. Problem is i have a brother, one of those guys that does everything like i did and it turns out wonderfully. I also had some people question my lawn which looks kind of rough. But four years ago i tested the soil it and it was pretty much right in the middle of the range for most of what i was planting. Should i decide to give this one more try next year i have a few questions...
1) "Generally" speaking is there something i can do (Compost? Manure? Fertilizer? etc...) to "pre" treat the soil, say in the Fall? or Winter? Before i plant in the spring...
2) Is there anything "Generally" i can do to limit/deter or protect from disease, fungus and/or insects....either to the soil before i plant? or after the trees have been planted?
I use the term "Generally" as i understand certain plants will have certain requirements...
Instead of just getting commercial fertilzer i had ordered something off of amazon which i believe was primarily nitrogen, pure white powder/crystals. That was what was suggested to me. I wasnt aware at the time i could just get commercial fertilizer. Im clear on the compost/ woodchips but should i also put the nitrogen encircling the tree? It did wonders for my peach trees. Thank you again
I appreciate the reply but im a bit confused. I had Peach trees do the same, i was told they needed nitrogen, which i added and it improved them and yes it did kill the grass. Is this similar? add Nitrogen? I didnt consider pruning, it was a bare root tree and its only a few months old. What do i prune? I thought wood chips only kept them moist and kept weeds away, i didnt know they fed them too. I have a few bags left i'll have to make some edgers to keep them in and apply some. Thanks for the feedback. More help is always appreciated...
Recently one of my plum trees started having leaves that look like the attached picture. I remember when my Peach trees started getting yellow leaves i was told they needed nitrogen which was spot on and worked for both of my Peach Trees. Can anyone help here?
I always heard that chain link fences weren't good for grapevines. Someone recently said something about something in the metal. You really think its a good idea to keep both plants per trellis? Im not worried about losing a plant or having to replace it, im trying to find out what the best spacing is. Thanks for the help
I have three sets of grapevines (green, purple, red) each with a trellis setup like in the picture. Each Trellis has two grapevines. I am doing this mostly for fun, anything that grows is a bonus. Should I 1) remove one vine from each trellis and "center" the other vine? These trellises are about 6 feet wide can i get by with that? i would prefer not to add on sideways if possible. A Question about an Arbor...they say it allows more sunlight to the vine, but if the top is covered wont that limit the amount of sun that gets to the plant coming up from the ground? Ideas, suggestions?
I planted raspberries and blackberries that i bought from Lowes or Home Depot. I was hoping for shrubs like my blueberries have grown, and yet these plants have grown "tentacles" like an octopus. I was hoping to not have to set up a trellis or arbor. Is this how they all grow? or only certain types. I really just wanted some shrubs...I threw some pvc pipe up behind them for now, the blackberries have recently been relocated. I havent had the money nor do i have the interest really in building more proper trellises unless i have to. Advice? Suggestions?
Im posting an older pic and a newer pic. One of my grapevines is already outgrowing my trellis....I am not planning on building an arbor or adding on to my trellis. So i am seeking some advice. Do i cut the vines as they outgrow my trellis? Do i let it flop over and start growing downwards? Interested in some feedback. At least for this year there will be no more construction...
I always read that chain link fences werent ideal for grapevines. Not so sure i want them all over the fence anyway. A friend said the local vineyard had trellises smaller than mine (maybe 4 ft) and they let the grapes go up and come back down and intertwine with itself. Is that ok?
Ok first off..i had assigned space for additional grapevines already, so today i started the process...i dug up two grapevines and gave each their own space and their own temporary trellis (until i can afford to build permanent ones....). The Trellis you see in the picture is similar to others i have seen people do, it is the extent i planned on using. I wasnt planning on making it like an arbor, so my question was what do i do when the vines get to the top? do I cut them? do I let them fall over and work downwards?
I actually have 3 separate locations (like the pic) each with 2 plants. Ive decided on the above trellis setup, my question is once they reach the top do i just keep cutting and trimming them? No matter what set up you have at some point its going to grow past it, how do i handle that? Should i dig up the plant on the right and re-plant it? Will the one on the left spread out to the right?