Get a horse trough and mix up some mortar in it, make it very wet then dip each post in it..this will jump start the petrification effect, dip and dry several times to get full effect, alternatively you could wet the post and roll it in a bucket of mortar and let sit. The lime in mortar will start the petrification effect...plus insects don't like lime. Motar oil will leach into the ground...Florida ban that practice with a fine of 500$ per drop.
If you wish to keep deer and rabbits as well as other herivores plant a ring of wormwood around your small garden, and for very large gardens includ a row or three evenly spaced as well as a border. As for fencing in larger property consider thornbushes as a hedge for humans and a row of wormwood for fourlegged pests.
Deer rabbits and wildpigs in florida avoided wormwood to such a degree that we no longer even had them 'visit' our 7.5 acre property cause a small area of it (the garden) was ringed with wormwood..mom said it was overkill cause,she liked watching deer walk through... Deer and rabbit will steer well away from wormwood, pigs avoid it but less so..we did have one rabbit dig under and eat some veggies in the center of the garden briefly...but only once.
Solar sounds like a good off grid solution too. But then the problem would be the maintenance of the battery. Maybe that 'charge controller' would take care of things like over charge and over discharge prevention??"
Yeah charge controllers are for that very purpose, I have an swm charge controller. There are pros and and cons to both types. but I've seen elaborate systems that don't use a batterty bank as storage, instead they use hho generator to convert solar electricity into gas and store the gas separately as hydrogen and oxygen then burn it in a generator setup....but my budject so far doesn't allow me that luxury. Working on a small weedwacker moter to run hho gasfor a generator head but that's backburner (pun intended) to my project to use hho for a replacement in propane campstoves/heaters etc. When I have finished with the proof of concept projects I'll upgrade to a solar hho factory to produce and store hho for all my rv needs eventually even driving.
João Carneiro wrote:Devaka, there are many useful contributions on this thread. Wise words have been spoken.
Please do understand that you can get things off the shelf that offer diferent solutions to diferent problems. But diferent things will be present on diferent shelfs around the world. Maybe your problem can be solved with a simple voltage regulator, maybe not. Maybe you can solve it using a managed UPS and configuring it properly. But it could be in such way that your input is so dirty/unstable that you have to resort to turn it to DC and back to clean sine AC...
There are also other considerations on energy efficiency, because energy transformations have an energetic price, so there is loss at every step of the way, this can make your electricity bills increase.
DIY at this level is cool for people who know what they are doing. VERY EXPENSIVE errors can occour... even to people that know what they are doing.
But consider your budget and options. You may even get to realize that since you are investing you can go offgrid with just a bit more.
I agree, I think you should look into setting up a solar system with some fed/state rebates to zero out the cost...MLsolar in California deals in used solar panels...I got ( 8 ) 6.5 volt 3? Amp panels for 20$ each( 10 yrs old)...for my RV wired in series and parrelel for 13 volt ? Amps more then enough for my 81$ Wal-Mart marine 109amp hr batteries..they even sold me the 50' wiring and 30 amp charge controller for a total of 200$... ebay sells full-sine 5000w/10000watt inverters for about 300-500$ ... depending on the maker...though they can go as high as several thousand... but remember you may on some states get a 100% rebate... In NJ some people were getting 110% rebate.
Kirk Schonfeldt wrote:New Mexico AES released a cultivar of Trebizond Date 'King Red' some decades ago that would be worth locating. Also, look for Carpathian Walnut 'Mesa' which was released in NM and is more adapted to high desert sun than most cultivars. And, as I recall, Eleagnus sp. are resistant to the allelopathic chemicals walnuts produce (and fix N).
Pete Casanova wrote:Ryan, I just tried to do a homestead thing. I crashed and burned for various and Sundry reasons. I think I'm tough enough to try again and I would really love to do it on a piece of ground next to someone else who is of like mind. I'm older than dirt but very healthy and I am hoping that this ground that you were talking about has no dirt bikes. on my piece of ground I have built solar panels by soldering together solar cells and I dug a hole 22 feet deep hoping to hit water with a post hole digger. I build rammed-earth walls out of discarded tires. I would like to know more about you and would like to let you know more about me. My wife wants me to let you know she is an artist and we love peace and quiet. one of the things I did on my piece of ground was create ponds with tarps and I was able to collect water from the rain. and yes we hauled our water and know how to conserve.
Its a big area. Just talked an inspector today seems some people are building without permits, I get the impression the drawback is it you want to sell the property. The county is lad back it seems.
You dont need my permission, i dont sell the land, contact the treasurer or vist in person, flagstaff is a tolerant nice community...from what ive seen so far. But then im a middle-aged white male, i wouldnt know prejudice if it bit me on my ass.
In coconino county if the treasurer sells you the land its yours. I believe I've left a link previously so you xan see its location and the innumerable tax defaults, it may take a little research to find which are under three years , and thus reclaimable by its original owner, and which are for sale by treasurer..but given its undesirable nature id think it rare someone would pay up to reclaim it. (Considering it a popluar landscam area, 121$down and 121$/mon till the 7k is paid off at 10% int, yeah not sering someone coming back to grab it) I met someone,who was born in the Grand canyon...and he informed me there is a clay layer about 3-5'down. He says the biggest 'whiteman'blunder is they try to dig a well too deep, puncturing the clay layer which allows the trapped water to drain. (Yes he is a local indian) There are hundreds of acres at about an acre and a qtr available. Most in tax deliquientcy. Due dilligemce should yield you a property in the 300-700$/1.25 acre range. Thats fairly cheap...and i am really looking forward to shareing this with likeminded people. Especially since i have this nagging feeling that the country and the world are reaching ctitical mass... far enough away to be safe and close enough to enjoy city life occasionally. I cant find a better suited area for permaculturists talants
.not yet. Lol....btw law enforcement responds only to neighbor complaints or extreme dumbasses...so if enough permies are there i think it could be awesome
Ryan Tollmann wrote:Scouted Flagstaff, they have tractor supply...harbor freight...dollar stores/general..and a walmart. I can work with that.
Okay, that makes me interested right there.
The property in NM I was looking at has come up a bust and I want snow. I know Flagpole gets snow. My problem is I need high speed internet for important things like my education. I use a ton of data. The property I was looking at in NM was wired for fiber optics.
Do you know what kind of internet(if they have any) is out that way?
I once,went to Daytona State for Computer Engineering, and recently again for Network Admin. if i cant arrange internet out there noone can. Upon initial inspection i figured id have to use an intown cable provider couple with a laser digital relay to a modified dish +cable to a WiFi router for broadbsnd access without data limits as about 1mb/sec minimum...but there may be an easier way...time will tell
Deb i realize OK is tricky, but this is coconino county and you have (and a delinquent owner ) three years to fix the tax situation or the county treasurer sells your land outright. Between that initial delinquency and thecthree yr aniversery people can bid on the interest of a lien and the owner can remedy the delinquency. IF they want the land back. I been there,seen it....it takes a special thpe of person to attrmpt to make that dryland an oasis...and most people have niether the time or inclination...or the knowledge. Thats why its perfect for permies...they enjoy the challange. I will be purchasing mine before winter..but ill be wintering in phoenix where its warm for the first year. I have a few friends that want in..but they are not permies or,even survivalists...but they want to be. They love the idea of sharing equipment and helping build homes...grow gardens and greening the desert.. (though technically its not,a desert)., it definitely needs greening. Hope some experienced permies jump on this bandwagon the county would love to see the area flourish.
Another good reason to establish a permie colony, so you can trade chores. If you don't like processing rabbits you could then ask a neighbor who doesn't mind. Perhaps even trade rabbits so your not processing the ones you got to like..just a thought.
On a side note, the flagstaff police are very nice, i saw two people get pulled, one didnt have headlights on at 10:30ish pm , the other wasnt wearing a seatbelt . Neither got tickets after the officer verfied they had them...ive been parked in various spots, but other then a single officer running my tags i got no interaction.. ive been to California..they really dont like RV camping,unless your in a designated spot. I could always count on a wakeup call from a deputy if i pulled over for some zzzs, or a walmart/store manager informing me the overnighting wasnt allowed.
Im sure there is a reason why the three year old+ plus tax liens arent differentiated between the less then three year tax liens, if i had to guess, he'd probably want to offload the harder ones first..or look you in the eye.
Tax people are long term thinkers, they want steady revenue..to plan with. Either way if,someone abandoned their property its a good bet they gave up...due to the conditions, or cold , or dryness.
I may even be able to 'train' the inspector to accept pics/video. Once the pads and columns are in place its time to formup headers and pour them...(additional auto extensions. )... so im looking at about 200$ each step (90 days) and watching my strawbale framework grow...until its time to order straw bales from a local guy (9$each) and then it speeds up, once you have the strawbales in place quickly apply a layer of clay ( $150/load ) and as soon as it sets apply plaster. By then i should see some growth in the cover crop lawn and the tree border.
This amounts to about 500$/acre+, if your able to work around certain things like water (delivered or toted by yourself from nearby towns) and isolation. The county is friendly to alternative building tech/materials (big plus) and relatively cheap permit fees (300$) and loose inspections (big plus). Call them and explain what you want to building, you'll be surprised to know they have a dept just for that, that will walk you through it.
Permits are good for 90days and get automatically extended 90days each time something is inspected..so you can take your time..i plan on pouring a 2x2 pad once every 60days for each corner and load bearing column..lol and have each individually inspected... thats 6 pads extending my permit 90days each ;p
Colin McGee wrote:Does anyone here have information on properties like this in other states or parts of the USA?
The factors that make a great place to buy are hard to find in the same area..unless you are willing to pay alot..people tend to buy up all the really good spots,which enhances competition thus driving up the price. That said. There are tax liens in many states/counties some of which are a hassle others aren't. I lucked out in that i was heading through the area and got dumped by a lady who neglected to mention A. Shes an alcoholic (box of wine a day) B. Shes never known hardship and has no monetary sense C. Was married. Imagine my surprise when she called her husband to pick her up three states later. Live n learn. But out of desperation i started searching for cheap land to park the rv, and found coconino co. To be the cheapest without being in the desert a hundred miles from everything.
Theres online land sales that double the land price but allow low dp and low monthly payments if your looking to start cheap.. thats how i found the area east of Valle, online guy was selling the properties for 7k 121.00 down 75/mon...then i dug deeper and saw the county treasurer had alot of tax leins cert. for that area for a few hundred each. Further reading revealed that if they are three yrs old you can buy them outright from the co. treasurer for the cert value +fees..
So earthships,cob,strawbale,and a few others are all acceptable and encouraged by coconino co. They have tons of data and evaluations for your perusal. Like passive solar data,orientation,arcs. Energy conversion tables for earthship mass and compaction, r-ratings for alternative materials vs local climates. ...this place is 30% Indian population. A permies/frontier wetdream imho.
However i must clarify, my earlier post regarding rain/snow covers the entire county, but the country has multiple temperate zones so individual areas vary widely from lush plains, massive forests to drylands/arid..but on the plus side you dont have to travel far to experience them...and benifit from them. Water is close,gas is cheap,plenty of livestock and feed (organic and pellet) tools, machinery,and materials being traded locally..they have a CL catagory of 'freestuff' a truck with a trailer can snatch up wood,pipes,cmu,insulation,sheetmetal,for simply showing up.
Im fortunate to have landed here of all places. I think this is gonna be awesome.
Ill keep everyone posted as to how easy/hard permiting and building inspection is...as i build my solar passive strawbale home.
Thanks for posting that, like the simplified explanation, what I read had to reread a few times lol... However consider that taxes on those properties are about 50$\yr hence you can calculate that if the certificate price is $300+ more then three years has already passed on most (there's probably a hundred parcels)
So rather then go through the bidding,waiting and court procedures...just walk into the treasurer's office and buy it outright for the certificate+penalties+fees
I'm sure they will be more then helpful to get some revenue out of them, and taxes. The only drawback I've found so far is fire\ems services are extra...if you call the fire dept or ems you get a bill after.
I'm going with strawbale and concrete piers with a tin roof when im ready to build. It gets -15 in winter so strawbale (r30-35) makes penetrating cold or heat difficult. And strawbale tend to smoulder not burn, and a layer of clay slip under the plaster makes them safer then ' stick and plastic' modern homes by far.
They have water delivery and Despenser stations in local towns. dispenseries charge about .01\gal that's 25$ for a 250\gal tote plus 10-15$ in gas both ways (gas is cheap)...a single person may need to go once a month with halfass conservation..I may wait till February to get started, and spend the winter in town depending how far I get out there...still waiting on a callback from several mason jobs...be nice to get a mason,carpenter,electrican,plumber combo out there..lol
I know I've talked to several people in town, nobody wants those properties...it's outside there skillset and too much work. Great opportunity for those who have great ideas and alternative ambitions.
Being irish im fond of potatos, sliced and pan fried, baked, or cubed in stews...but they are a pain to dig up. That said heres a neat trick, plant them in crates/boxes with a sliding bottom kept just off the grown and in a place you want to add the soil...slip and a pile of loose dirt and potatoes magically appear.. hope that helps potato lovers...tollmann family garden trick.
Gilbert Fritz wrote:I'm laying out a small swale to spread and infiltrate the run-off from a downspout. Would it be a bad idea to fill this with large gravel? I'm hoping the water would still spread well down it, but the gravel would keep water from evaporating, provide cover to critters, and not wash away or compact like an organic mulch. Also, I'm digging the swale along a brick pathway, and I don't want to destabilize it with a void nearby; seems like gravel could help me out here.
That sounds like a french drain, and it helps prevent soil washouts, i do masonry and i put a layer of 1in stone borders along brick walkways for just that purpose...assuming you didnt use sand joints in your walkway, if you did youd need a wood border against the brick then the stone..
Julia Winter wrote:I think a wind shadow is similar to a sun shadow. Like, when there's a prevailing wind from the west, there's a sheltered spot, a "wind shadow" on the east side of a line of conifers. I use that as one of the climate altering factors on my land in Wisconsin, to allow me to grow a peach tree in zone 4.
So 'wind shadow' is the lee side like in sailing? ( you anchor on the lee side of an island thus the wind is coming from the far side... and the smoother water is on the lee side...)