borers have been a problem for mine, but for the pioneer tree aspect, they have been great for me, as they are helping create a forest in as little as time possible and I plant more fragile trees among them.
If planted near the fence, will have to be far enough away or the cattle will just eat them.
When I planted b.locust seeds, I scarified, but once I got some plants going, never had to mess with seeds again. I planted my seeds in a nursery and transplant the trees out every year and new suckers take off, ready for another year.
if anything like the native prickly ash, suckers will be a good opportunity to increase them. I don't have experience with this species yet, got my first plant this year, though already sprout seems to be coming up near the base, so looks like it may sucker like the prickly ashes that grow here.
Root cuttings would seem easier than stem for this genus.
Black locust flowers mostly for a short period of time, so only would have to be away from them during that time frame. Probably wouldn't want the trees close to your home anyways, as they sucker all over and have thorns, so its a nice tree from afar.
Think when I planted seed, got a pound from lawyer nursery, they seemed to germinate pretty easily like most nuts I have tried. When I transplant them to their permanent spots, left behind roots sometimes will sprout up and give me more plants.
Mick Fisch wrote:I live in southern indiana, it'll get -10 degrees fahrenheit in the winter. My neighbor has some kind of wild citrus growing in his yard that he said was wild and had been there forever. He'd had someone from Purdue look at it and they said it was probably some kind of hybrid and weren't interested in it. It looks like a slightly fuzzy lemon and is mostly seeds, but the juice is definitely a sharp, kind of lemony flavored citrus. The tree had some impressive thorns also. I collected a few of the fruits a few years ago, but got busy and forgot about it because it was at least a few generations from being really useful. My neighbor died, but his granddaughter is living there now. If someone is interested, I'll see if I can get some volunteers or seeds, although it might take me at least a few months though.
I mostly plant outside in a fenced off area, and later transplant when they are bigger to the wild area. Pots are too much work; Rather just plant the seed out into nature, though if working with bought seed, then usually don't have enough seed to make that work. Some large seeds like nuts seem easier for that if protected from squirrels and other vermin.
I think it was 2 inches diameter when attacked. I have been planting a lot of black locust and cultivars, so a lot of years has been an infestation with locust borers, though the past 2 years I haven't seen them, may be an equilibrium forming and/or above average rainfalls help too.
anybody know of someone selling them on their own roots? I have bought them on osage orange, and prefer not to, they are marginally hardy here, so while very young they dieback, and end up becoming an osage orange. Oddly enough my male melon tree hasn't died back from the winters, so I still have that, must be hardier than the females, on my 4th female. been through -20sF
Anyone know Dave and/or or can you get me some root cuttings?
Seems these are actually native to Virginia........they were transplanted to New York from there.
that page has been around awhile, doesn't look updated, here is some info on a different webpage, though it seems 'shipmast' may mean something differently on there than originally, since it talks about europe on that page.
I got my shipmast from forestfarm, though I don't know if it really is 'the' shipmast cultivar from long island, whatever it is, it is thornless, but borers attacked my young tree.
Land, then putting things on the land that have benefits for decades or more, like fruit trees and ponds that can supply food most years. Also guns and ammo are always a good idea. I am buying traps most years, too. Overall, I like to invest in things I can use.
Main problem in the united states is the locust borer that can wreck the wood and kills trees.
Even after more than 4 decades of dutch elm disease, american and slippery elms are still the most common trees on my place and the same will be with the native ashes since they seed all over and so good at reproducing. They already have 3 different asian wasps they are releasing that attack emerald ash borer and native things adapting to that new food source, so all hope may not be lost.
I have a thornless black locust and propagate it by stem cuttings as the original plant was grafted, so wanted it on its own roots. The new growth is thornless like the parent plant, but is interesting when suckers come up as they are thorny. So I will see if they lose their thorns as they get older, as propagating via suckers would be more successful than stem cuttings. The suckers though aren't as thorny as normal seedlings.
Today was the first day I tried some of my seedlings, thought they would taste bad, but I didn't mind them, but I did mind that the size is small and hard to pick. Also didn't realize they ripen this early, was thinking later in fall, so a lot of the berries had already been lost to swd.
Some of the seedlings are suckering all over now, the tallest bushes are probably 10' or more, I transplanted some suckers to another place and they did well for a year or two until a grasshopper plague killed them last year. I had a couple cultivars that didn't do much in the spot I had them planted and they ended up dying a few years back. I planted out another cultivar this spring, hope I have better luck.
Pear seedlings I have grown haven't been ate as bad as some things, but then they come and rub and destroyed a lot, so nothing is safe from two points of attack....though if you want to consider it fruit, sumac plants have fended off eating and rubbing since they can sucker a lot.
The good varieties for eating are grafted, not very good at propagating from stem cuttings like willow. I don't know much, my varieties I bought died in my cold climate and come back from rootstock, except for maybe one. This year I am going to get tigertooth on its own roots, so if die back from cold, still have a good one.
yeah, scarifying the seed is a good thing with that hard seed coat they have. Seems like it would be a nice looking tree, but zone 6 hardiness, even my hardier oikos one finally died with the severe winter last year that took out a lot a lot of other stuff.
I've done it a lot with peach seedlings, individual plants die so fast, i'm glad the fruit is good tasting by growing seedling plants, so I can have a lot more trees than I otherwise would have just with the bought grafted cultivars.
think I got my seed of this species from lawyer nursery, but have gotten other seed from schumacher and has been good. I like these plants, they don't take many years to start flowering, and sucker, so create many that I can plant elsewhere.
Probably resistant to deer browsing once established and suckering, but some transplants I planted this spring were getting eaten a lot by deer. Deer like them, just that they are tough plants that can survive attack.