To everyone else: I'm still looking. I'll take as many as I can get. We want subjects your passionate about, and we've got presidential go-ahead to be innovative, creative, and do something new every year. Pizza oven, solar oven, water catchment, mass composting, and anything else appropriate - I would love to eventually make all of these elements inter-connected parts of the whole.
I am a community developer at Asbury Theological Seminary in Wilmore, KY. My official title is so glamorous. Are you ready? Head Gardener! Ha, ha.
Anyway, part of my job is to hold workshops that will be well attended and draw interest, not only for the seminary but the surrounding Asbury University, Wilmore, Nicholasville, Lexington communities. There is some existing knowledge of permaculture on the University side of the street, but it is a new subject here at the seminary.
I am looking for those interested in teaching introductory permaculture ethics and one-off permaculture topics workshops. There is a huge emphasis here on the community aspect of things. We have an existing community garden, small orchard, bees, and chickens, but these placements were not planned by a permaculture designer, so there are definite improvements to be made. The surrounding homes in Kalas Village were built with the environment in mind (not sure of all the details), and there is a beautiful, large facility on site for holding classes when the weather is unfavorable.
The teachers I am looking for will be at the very least considerate in their speech and not derogatory toward Christian views. This will be a time of proving that permaculture is a design "science" and not a religion of its own.
Hey Bob, I am soooo upset. They all died! 11 were unformed (one of those was just a little mass of veins). The day before we were expecting them, I was out in the garden, and an egg exploded all over the other eggs. I ran online to see what to do, and all I was seeing said to clean out the nest and wipe down the remaining eggs (so they wouldn't be contaminated with the bad bacteria). The kids and I did, but that evening she only sat on the eggs for five minutes. We went through a bunch of hoops trying to save them, but on day 37 I gently peeled back a shell and found the perfectly formed duckling dead. I went through the last five and found the same It was a great loss to me
I second that thought. I love my Muscovies. I don't think I'll ever want to be without them. Mine are sweet, quiet, endearing. The girl is prettier than the guy, but he can be a sweety when he is pining for his broody girl. He'll seek out company. Mama is sitting on my doorstep right now, curious about what I'm up to and probably hoping for a treat or some fresh cool water from the faucet
I came across this document on the Net while searching for an idea of how to keep our rabbits cool in this hot Kentucky summer . . . Great ideas, nice concise read with illustrations. Italian breeders got there before me and did all the brainwork.
I wish we had known about you guys about a year ago. We are a similar family doing a similar thing. We just happened to settle in Kentucky, because a friend let us get started on their farm there. I just wanted to wish you well. We have two sons, 11 and 8 and a little girl 7. I hope you find a family soon who will work out well. We've bought a piece of land here now, so it's too late to back out and move.
We have a plethora of beetles in our hive right now. It has just been moved from a farm about 20 miles away. Most likely, the bees were stressed for a few days, because we had a makeshift entrance reducer on during the move that we were nervous to pull fully off. The bees were extremely active after the move, in the middle of the night. Hubby pulled off as much as he could and took off running. A day later, he went to see about pulling it out again, but they were still very active. Two days after that, when he was away at work I heard the bees very loudly from far away and upon approaching noticed they were in a columnar form from the hive to the top of the tree above them.
I thought they were swarming, so I manned up and got geared up to check the bees myself, for the first time ever. When I pulled away the shirt [makeshift entrance reducer], the folds were filled with beetles. Some ran back into the hive, others dropped to the ground. I tried to research what to do, but the opinions are so mixed that I finally went with the opinion of letting the bees deal with it themselves (since I had at least gotten our mess out of the way).
Was this a good way to "deal" with it? Should I do more? They are considerably calmed down now. There are active bees still there. I don't think I have the guts to open the hive myself. Would it change anything?
I feel silly now. I have heard of those books. I just didn't know the author's name. I didn't realize they were applicable to other locations besides dryland/desert type situations. I'll have to move them up sooner in my reading list! Thanks for the info.
Richard that was ultra-helpful! Thank you so much for updating. I feel like I can make some intelligent additions to my design project now, and the farmer I'm designing for will be interested to know this as well.
I agree Richard. Any updates? I'm in Kentucky trying to design a farm that has karst issues. I'm also working on my design project for the online PDC with Geoff Lawton and not sure if swales and ponds are the right way to go or not. Anyone have any extended time working with this type of landscape?
Hey Everyone, I presented this document that Allan Savory and I compiled from all the questions everyone asked him over in the Greening the Desert topic to Paul, and he encouraged me to go ahead and present it here for anyone to download. It was a lot of work but very informative, and I hope some of you will find it useful and share it around. It is about 37 pages re-formatted and with some clarifying information from Mr. Savory inserted. If you're a little confused about what Mr. Savory actually does, or if you still think he instituted rotational or mob grazing or even approves of them, you've GOT to read this document. It will shed some surprising light on the subject.
I don't know if this was the right place to post it, so if anyone has a better suggestion, let me know. Also, if anyone finds typos, please let me know. I would like to correct them as they come up, so we can keep it high-quality.
BTW, did anyone see Prince Charles' comments on Allan Savory? How cool is that?
While this isn't the most exciting video visually/musically, it is very good at explaining the broad applications of permaculture to a gub-ment type of crowd, you know, official, stuffy, educated and all that. My most difficult hurdle so far is keeping people from jumping to conclusions that it's just for farmers or just about gardening.
Jared Williams wrote:. . . my wife and I have a newly purchased property on 5 acres of densely-wooded forest with a high canopy of tall/thin Pine trees which stand about 80 feet. Much of the day's light is robbed from the vegetation on the ground, but we really want to install a food-forest and herb garden system. All too often, we see homeowners massacring large amounts of forest to get more sunlight to the desired area, without concern to what effects it has on the overall environment. . . .
We are desperately trying to figure out what is the best strategy in getting the most out of our situation, while maintaining the forest's natural beauty. Also, if you don't mind me asking, do you have any other suggestions that would steer us in the right direction? We don't want to chop down the whole forest just to get more sunlight, but we want to be able to sustain our own vegetables and spices at the same time.
Hey Jared, you'll never guess what Geoff Lawton gave as an example in his online PDC that I'm taking right now! I copied it down, so I could write it out for you. I thought you might get some inspiration.
"You've got a client who says: 'I've got a five acre property full of pine trees. I'd like to diversify the property and put in a one acre fish pond with acid-loving crops around the edge (blueberry bushes mulched with pine needles). What do you think?' [He then draws a picture of a square property with a square pond in the middle, edged with blueberry bushes.]
"Permaculture Consultant (Geoff): 'It's not a bad way to think, but you really missed out on patterning. We can give you twice as many blueberries and quite a few more fish without losing any more pine trees. [He draws a picture of the same square property but this time with a pond in the middles that looks like a paint splat with 'fingers' coming out of the edges and still edged with blueberry bushes.] A pond like this is easier to build. The fish feed from the edge. Some parts will be nice and shady. There is twice as much space to plant blueberries, but there are still four acres of pines. Through edge and diversity, you extend the potential productivity.'
"If edge can be put in as patterning that harvests nutrient, that harvests water, that reduces stress on the landscape, creates buffers and windbreaks, creates organic matter, increases the stability in your environment, the benefits start multiplying over the area without losing anything on other elements. Patterning is an enormous opportunity to increase what's possible. Some elements prefer to grow in particular edges."
Anyway, let me know what you think. If you think it helped, I can keep my ears open for more ideas during the course. All the Best, Natasha
Mr. Savory, all I can say is WOW! My husband and I are both so honored and thrilled that you would take the time to write such a detailed reply. My husband just keeps saying over and over, That's really cool. I will email you to sign up for the newsletter. Thank you again.
Thank you Mr. Savory. for taking the time to reply. I apologize if I am speaking without knowledge. I have been reading your other posts and have watched your TEDtalk. I thought I understood what you were talking about, but then you said some things that blew my mind, and I knew I must not have the whole picture yet.
I did go to the Savory Institute site to try to find the newsletters you talked about in another post, but I didn't see where to sign up for it. I have also been in touch with someone from the Savory Institute that is looking to have a workshop here in Kentucky, but we haven't talked about the basics of your system yet.
I have read Ann Adams' book "At Home with Holistic Management," but maybe I still don't understand what holistic management or the holistic context means. I have seen you mentioning this to others also, but I haven't found the post yet where you talk about exactly what it is.
You floored me when I was looking through your posts today, and I saw that mob grazing/rotational grazing/management intensive grazing and "holistic management planned grazing" are not interchangeable. I have been so confused. This whole time, I thought you came up with those others as well or that they were actually all one and the same.
When I was on the Savory Institute site I got overwhelmed and couldn't tell where to start. What is step 1? Do I need to buy the big green textbook first?
Even though I am currently taking my 2nd Permaculture Design Course, I have a lot to learn. I was very surprised when you said plants do not invade or compete, because it sure feels/looks like they do. I do understand what you said though, that they are just growing where the ideal conditions have been provided. What also surprises me, though, is that the main spots where the hemlock is growing are spots that were disturbed not too long ago (i.e. where a ridge was leveled for a house site, they are growing in the mounds of soil that were left behind). In one particular spot on a hillside I can see a large animal burrow, and the soil is so loose there it feels like you are walking on foam; it's very "sponge-y" feeling underfoot, and it has completely covered that whole hillside. Hemlock is also prolific on a steep hillside that was used for tobacco crops years ago, and now there is no topsoil left (or so the farmer/rancher tells me). Some of these areas don't seem like compacted soil (where taproots would need to be) but just the opposite.
Here is information I found about its germination requirements from the California Invasive Plant Council: "Poison hemlock has a large range of conditions in which it can germinate. It can germinate at temperatures greater than 9.4 C and lower than 33.8 C. It can germinate in darkness as well as in light. About 85 percent of seed produced is able to germinate as soon as it leaves the parent plant (Baskin and Baskin 1990). The remainder is dormant and requires certain environmental conditions (thought to be summer drying) in order to germinate (Baskin and Baskin 1990).
"This ensures that some seed will remain in the seedbank until the following growing season. Seed can remain viable in the soil for up to three years (Baskin and Baskin 1990). It germinates most readily in soil, but can also germinate in sand. The combination of long seed dispersal period, seed dormancy, and non-specific germination requirements enable poison hemlock seedlings to emerge in almost every month of the year (Roberts 1979). Germination takes place in all months of the year except April, May, and July, with late winter and early spring being the periods of greatest germination (Roberts 1979). Most vegetative growth occurs in winter months, with plants developing a deep taproot that is sometimes branched (Pitcher 1986)."
So, "good planned grazing" is different than management intensive grazing or rotational grazing? I did hear you mention it in your TEDtalk and show the chart that some villagers had created for their system. I could see how it would differ by working through different areas of the land at very specific/purposeful times of the year. Where else can I find information about how it differs?
I am going to forward your replies to the farmer on whose land our family lives. He is very open to your work and wants to know more about it. I am in the process of learning how to do a permaculture design for his property, but I also have a strong feeling that somehow your system has a very important part to play in the design. I really appreciate your time and input. Thank you so much for your patience with me.
Hi Mr. Savory, I am very thankful you are willing to take the time to answer our questions on this forum. I live on a friend's farm in Kentucky. It is a wet spring/fall, dry hot summer, and cold winter type climate. The topography is karst. It is 100+ acres that have been cleared by machinery many times in the past but is now being used as pasture in a Management Intensive grazing style. The farm is being overtaken by Poison-hemlock, Conium maculatum. In just the year we have been here, we have watched it spread and take over previously good pasture. Though it may be trying to repair damage from previous years of mis-use, what can be done in a situation like this to keep it from taking over the majority of the cows’ pasture?
Ditto. I have the same question. My worms will soon be overflowing their winter bin. I would like to use them for vermicomposting humanure, and then when we have too many for that use them on a larger composting scale to sell high quality potting soil . . . If you watch Olomana Gardens videos on YouTube or purchase his aquaponics video, he has excellent information there on worms. http://www.olomanagardens.com/
I would love more thoughts on affordable kid-friendly meals from Sally. When kids have been around extended family constantly praising the glories of junk food and suddenly, Mom's home-cooked meals aren't as appealing as they were before, what's the best plan for coming back out on top? Are there any surefire recipes that erase those cravings and make Mama the star of the food show again? I know meat is a big one for my kids, but because we refuse to buy "trash" meat and rather stick to pastured, responsibly raised food, we only get to eat meat a several times a month right now. My kids are 5, 7, and 9, so they still like simple foods. I suppose this is a silly post; I guess I'm just looking for moral support and the possible brilliant idea I haven't thought of yet. Thanks
Our family has a place in Lancaster, KY, but my husband has been unable to find steady work. Currently, he is up in OH working a dead-end job to meet our basic needs. He finished five years in military intelligence, is finishing his last year in the Army with the Reserves. He has had most of his experience in computer/IT work. However, he is looking to transition out of that. He attended the Defense Language Institute for Spanish, has spent several years working in that language, and is currently looking to finish a degree at Miami University in Ohio in Spanish.
He is very keen to learn home building/carpentry. We have asked around to all of our friends and family for any opening to get an entry-level job in this area but so far with no success. My husband is a man of character and loves to learn. He is trustworthy, dependable, and has an excellent work history. Does anyone have any advice/leads/contacts for him to find work in the building sector?
You could try contacting Pike Valley Farm in Lancaster http://www.pikevalleyfarm.com/ I know they don't have a lot of extra money right now, but sometimes they need help with government grant projects. It would be a good relationship to foster, as they are really nice/trustworthy people, and I believe they will grow and have more opportunities to employ outside help in the future.
Pike Valley Farm in Lancaster, KY (Garrard County), is working toward sustainability - pasture-raised animals, etc. Our family lives there now. The owner and his wife (Daniel and Kristin Pike) are very nice people, and they would set up an appointment to show you around. Their site is http://www.pikevalleyfarm.com/ They do not have a cob house however, though they do know about that style of building. From what I have found so far, you may have to travel outside of KY to visit a cob house.
Wow guys! You don't know how much your replies have encouraged me. Kari, you have some great tips. I had previously only scratched the surface of those areas and just focused on my frustration with not having my own place to practice. I actually do love moving around, and it has been very interesting to read others' viewpoints here. I'm going to take some time to ponder what you said.
Emily & Tyler, thank you for your advice as well. I will look into those suggestions. Tyler, I hadn't noticed those posts before. I will have to search more specifically. Emily, I've never heard of that book before, but I have been wondering for years how I could take my garden with me. I think mushrooms may be a great place to start.
I heard Mollison say, (either in the Designer's Manual or in the video course PDC with Lawton) that it is cheaper to have a winter home and a summer home than it is to keep one location heated/cooled all year around. That seems to favor a semi-nomadic lifestyle. Also, he has mentioned more than once (I paraphrase) that permaculture yields itself to having a home-base from which to travel and teach others or engage in aid work. Once the base has been established and well-managed for three-five years, you can be gone for about nine months of the year without significant disruption to the system if well-designed.
Our family is currently in a difficult situation, and I am trying to figure out a way to practice permaculture and gain practical experience when we don't own our own place. We seem to be moving every few months. Often, the places we are at do not invite permaculture principles, and I feel continually stymied. What to do? For example, when a guest in someone else's home, I do not have the liberty of composting or gardening, etc., when the homeowners have no wish to learn about or experiment with those things. I know this is an old thread, but if anyone comes across it and has good advice, I would love to hear it.