Paul, I really like what you do with your empire, and the forums and videos.
For some reason, I can't listen to more then 5 - 10 minutes of most of your podcasts.
I have tried, really I have and I wish I could get more out of them.
I do find rare golden nuggets when you interview really interesting people.
Even a couple of times I try to make it past the intro funny bits and bobs, but I find them often lacking in any substance that is valuable to me.
It's cool that a lot of people like it, but most of it seems like buddies shooting the breeze and not much else.
Maybe its just me.
It seems like so much of what you have at Zaytuna is incredible and I would love to have an opportunity one day to enroll in your internship program.
My question regards how much of what I will learn regarding the plant selections is transferable to other climate areas.
Or maybe said another way, is an internship at Zaytuna best suited for someone who will eventually set up a home area in the tropics or sub-tropics?
Or do all the other great opportunities at Zaytuna outweigh this minor point?
Part of the reason I ask is b/c I thought I remembered you mentioning in your interview with Jack Spirko, that you hadn't worked in an area that was cold enough to justify using Hugelkulture.
I am currently in the wet tropics and looking at farms. Yesterday I saw a vast series of secondary ridges and valleys (I think I am using those terms right I just finished water for every farm) that were all heavy clay soil at 30 degree grades give or take that were all starting to slip due to over grazing of cows. Apparently last year a 5 Hec parcel fell into the river. What sort of immediate remedies might a Keyline plan involve to help those folks repair their land to a somewhat stable state? I read through Mollison´s take on the wet tropics and he mentioned Lemon Grass and Bannana grass as a stabilizer factor in steep slopes -- what else might help?
Thanks and really enjoyed your podcast on holistic management Owen and Paul.
I am going to Costa Rica and am wondering if any folks have farms that my wife and I can visit?
We are traveling the Pacifiic side in a few days and are really interested to see some places.
If you know of any or are open to that -- please let me know on this thread or pm me.
Thanks, Amazon has an updated version of that text -- it seems mostly to be about legalize stuff, history of surveying and not so much practical application -- I'll try to find the older version -- but if its like the new one . . .
I am mostly interested in learning how to use the dumpy for marking contours for swales and dams.
Am pretty sure I get the jist of using the dumpy -- just looking for a simple how-to guide/manual so I can learn faster.
I am attempting to teach myself surveying, got a great deal on a dumpy yesterday -- just finished the Keyline book (GREAT info, horrible editing and needs about 70 more pictures).
I have found some basics of surveying online and the Keyline book has some basics too -- any book you know of with good pics and good explanations?
Very Nice -- I wonder if Catalpa can be used for animal feed since they have so many pods -- beautifal shape too.
As an aside,Prickly pair will basically grow anywhere in lower 48 if your not on swamp land.
One variety is endemic to Wisconsin. Sounds crazy I know, but have seen with mine own two eyes.
I have heard people describe this as a duck deficiency instead of a slug and snail problem -- maybe borrow some ducks?
I have noticed that sparrows come through the nisturtium in our garden -- they hop through it like a mini forrest since it is currently one of the climax species-- and look for all types of edibles, snails, slugs, the caterpillar of the white brocolli moth.
So maybe you can plant something to encourage predators too.
Also, I think in one of Sepp's books he talks about putting a bunch of mulch (maybe hay specifically) down overnight.
Slugs snails will go into the mulch to stay moist for the heat of the next day and they will then lay their eggs in the mulch since according to them it is a moist safe environment (they don't know it's a trap).
Take mulch, put it bottom side towards the sun, the sun will then kill all the slug eggs.
Thanks great ideas.
Dogs are omnivores, however. I'm sure you've seen them eat grass. Ours loves fruit. Mollison said dogs like loquat and it will make a nice fertile seed ball when dogs eat it.
I didn't check the "seedball" but our dog loves loquats, apples, watermelon.
Ohhh and she can't help herself with lemongrass -- I will let her in the garden sometimes for a healthy pack nap and even while sitting at my feet, chomp chomp. That stuff is pricey -- bad dog.
I know one dog that is a serious strawberry theif. But that is a matter of training the owners to put in a fence of some type.
good movie on netlfix called "dive" too and "gleaners" or "glean" about french gleaning folks and the legal protections of gleaners in France.
I dumpster dove exactly once for food when I was 14. We found a box of candy bars -- WOW!!
Just as we were about to make off with the booty, the store manager came out to yell at us.
She informed us the candy bars had been recalled b/c they were contaminate with worms.
Sometimes things are in the trash for a reason, but I do support diverting edible food from the waster stream, just maybe trash as food might have drawbacks if it is contaminated and not known by the consumer.
@John, yeah it sounds like it is a good tool -- and thanks for that website, pretty awesome!
@Sabian -- I didn't completely follow your post, are you equating the effects of willow tea with GA and that willow tea is more for herbacious plants and GA for woody plants?
So, I thought I would share what I am doing. My space is about 20x25 in LA.
We started this last August 2011.
The ground gets at most 4 hours of direct light on about half of the space (a different half in summer and winter) -- the rest is dappled shade throughout the day-- from the Sapote tree -- or shaded completely from buildings
Growing here is;
40' White Sapote (it is really sick), Bamboo, Green Fig, Saw Palmeto
Nisturtium, Daikon, Radish, Water Hyacinth, Water Lettuce (plus a goldfish), Comfrey (true and hybrid), Cellery, Basil, Poppies, Marigolds, Tomatoes, Thai Eggplant, Japanese Eggplant, Rust Fennel, Broccoli, Sunflowers, Hollyhocks, Carrots, Lettuces, Rocket, Clover, Chili Mint (an asian mint don't know name), Mint, Beets, Kale Jackfruit, Chives, Lemongrass, Lavender, Roses, Peas, Bannana, Pennywort, Morning Glory.
Most I have seeded or plugged in the ground
And probably some stuff I forgot.
I scavenge broken tv's and use the mirrors to collect sun off of the fence to redirect it.
It's fun, but I really want more space! Gotta start somewhere however.
There are some folks in the greater LA area with a backyard food forest: Vanilla Bean Tree, Pakistani Mullberry, White Mullberry, figs, blackberries, rasberries, Peaches, Suriname Cherries, Cherries, Apples, Citrus, Bannannas, Comfrey, Mangoes, Jujubes, Papya, Loquat, and a bunch of other stuff.
Guava grows great here too.
Recently went to their open house, they are suppper nice - prices are a little high on some things, but they have stuff that is hard to come by -- I mean, who has Ice cream bean tree?
They gave us a bunch of free stuff.
Let me know if you want their contact info.
They kind of didn't know about permaculuture, but they were doing a food forest basically.
Sounds like you have a cool place.
John Polk just posted a link to a seed bank catalogue, I noticed a item they are selling to increase germination.
I searched and didn't find any conversation
http://jlhudsonseeds.net/GibberellicAcid.htm Anyone used it?
They seem adamant that it should be accepted as a biodynamically/organically reasonable tool.
I guess my thoughts are that it might encourage lower performing seeds to germinate and reduce virility? but it is just a guess.
Overall, i don't see how it is different than what I saw Geoff Lawton do (via video) when he innoculates his seeds with bacteria (and fungus?).
Molllison mentions that the high frequencies trap (and maybe draw -- my memory isn't perfect) Radon from the earth.
He tells a story of a friend living under them and the dust on the side of the house nearest the wires goes off the charts when measured with a geigercounter (sic).
From the sounds of it, I guess Radon is fairly radioactive -- I am more of an etymologist than scientist.
So, unless you can mess with harmonic frequencies on par with Tesla, and don't mind tons of Radon, run.
Not to mention, that powerlines will ensure that some powerline folks will access your property without warning and tromp on some stuff that is yours.
They did it today for the telephone lines just today at our place!
Well, at least they saw an interesting garden.
In fact, any powerlines or gaslines across a property just made my list of "no's" in the property search.
I tried stinging nettles this year from seed, and so far, not too many seedlings and not in the places I expected.
I put them on a hugelbed, in a pot, compacted soils, uncompacted soils, lots of sun, less sun and moderate sun.
I have only noticed a few seedings so far, I am hoping more will come soon.
I have heard - I think on Paul's video -- that it is a "nitrogen hog'
Maybe soil here is low in that, or other conditions for sprouting aren't right.
I found one, under a giant tomato plant bareley wedged under a big stump.
I let more sun in to help it -- I think it preferred the shade cause it died (it could have been the urine i applied liberally -- for nitrogen?)
I had hoped and assumed they would be gangbusters already -- ?!
It seems to have sprouted on disturbed soil on my little plot -- maybe someone can speak to that?
I hear ya -- I have heard it other places totally outside of Permaculture -- and also in my own experiences.
I saw a recent video interview (and I think in the PDC series with Mollision) with Geoff Lawton, he mentions that when you're doing permaculture "right" resources will just fall into place.
This seems to be a somewhat universal idea, and it makes sense to me.
I have been known to be impatient however.
Like when I plant a garden, I want to see its climax now -- this is partly my nature and partly b/cI live in a fast paced area.
Oh, also, Mollison stridently opposes advertising permaculture services ( I think what he says may be somewhat tongue in cheek -- but I would guess for him, its a matter of fact) -- he seems to think one will end up with waaay too much work -- and then you have too much money, not enough time for sleeping in the potato patch and so on -- he mentions that every time one gets too much money, its time to throw a huge party.
His enthusiasm is contagious -- realistic? I sure hope so!
I'm not sure I totally agree for those trying to establish permanence in a business at least in the initial stages, but for some permies, I can see they don't need to advertise -- that sounds nice!
I like Ray's ideas about wording a lot -- and agree a lot of buzzwords will turn off a number of folks.
Do you want to work with those folks? I don't especially want to work with a lot of folks unless the money is good and the time is limited.
For what it's worth -- I didn't want to share this initially, but Bill Mollison really goes off of the Faerie idea in the PDC video.
He tells a great story about a farm in England where this is part of the paradigm -- they are all organic and loving -- and the love is making the garden grow.
And then he looks in their garden shed, it is full of every pesticide that is legal to sell.
They charge admission to come bask in the positive vibrations, so he just snuck in to see what was up and gets blitzed with the founder (if I remember, alcohol is verbotten on this farm).
Anyhow, if you get a chance, those are some great vids, Mollison is a good -- although long winded, rambling storyteller with a TON of info -- Lawton too (but not a rambler).
Thanks -- are OTC meds H2 blockers?-- I have always heard about benadryl, but never had to use it -- I have never heard that prylosec works -- will buy some promptly.
I got the shots as a kid.
This really helps me moving forward, much thanks!
I don't think it's too far off -- i mean xeriscaping/zeroscaping was a well accepted term when I lived in New Mexico -- although some still grow lawns -- it wasn't all too radical 10 years ago.
Permaculture might just sound funny to people too e.g. I want a garden, not a culture. What exactly are you pushing here?!?
? Permascaping ? -- it uses existing terms -- that often helps people digest new ideas better.
It's for the busy professionals who don't have a lot of time to weed.
Every gardener I have met hates weeding on their hands and knees.
Saves $ too b/c it can be set up to be self-seeding, self-weeding, with -- ohhh-la-la Heirloom seeds!
This is how I sold my brother-in-law on hugelculture beds. He is a health conscious, former vegetarian, anti-establishment kind of guy who works in green tech -- and moving away from row crops was too far out there at first.
Everything grew so fast, no weeds could compete -- he likes this method of gardening b/c he feels he has limited time to devote to gardening, but he likes organic and fresh produce.
He did balk at mixing all his seeds together when sowing -- so, he put a spot of spinach, beets, carrots at a much more dense rate than specified.
So we talked about monoculutres over the months and weeks.
He is getting great returns, with little input (he has to pick up the pine needles that fall on his beds -- although I told him not to plant vegetables under it for allopathic concerns and high acidity).
In the end, I can only suggest he change he ideas in small bits -- If I told him to rip up his whole backyard lawn from the get go, he would have thought I was crazy.
Then he told me -- you gotta watch "fresh" on netflix.
Then he saw my backyard and said "wow, you're doing full on permaculture!" (It's my urban backyard educational plot).
And recently we toured a suburban backyard food forest -- I had already shown him Lawton's food forest video extras -- Now, finally, after 10 months of slow, persistent, friendly, pragmatic advice, he sees the value of permaculture in the garden area as simply the easiest, most productive, least input option for his busy life.
I started to converse with his sister about permaculture use of vertical space -- the next day, she was badgering me about why I haven't suggested that at least some of the backyard lawn be ripped up.
When we put in the garden -- I laughed and told him in 5 years his whole yard would be a garden -- he thought I was joking, but now he knows it is possible and beneficial.
Maybe that is how permaculture works on some level -- People are ready to hear about the ideas, and some forum/video/book/experiential/conversational chop and drop of ideas happens, where the old thoughts are now fodder for the new crop of ideas.
But until they are ready -- it most likely sounds/looks like the ideas are a mad man with a machete in a jungle mumbling about "biodynamic polyculture" when juxtaposed against orderly rows and miracle-gro.
Anyway, this long post is illustrating my experience sharing ideas with a person who is fairly familiar with outside the box ideas.
And maybe just starting your customers down the path of Hugelculture as a $ saving, waterwise feature is a good place to start (that helps Paul with his hugelculture household word thing too).
As they see the value suggest more changes -- they will probably ask you for ideas -- my brother-in-law now does.
Then send them links to Sepp Holzer videos, suggest they watch Fresh, Lawton's videos. Heck, maybe watch videos with them and lead a discussion -- maybe start a permie group in your area if it's needed.
I think like many things, one just has to be ready to hear whatever info is presented -- until then -- as my wife says, "you should go and talk to the toilet" presumably b/c no one is listening (but I believe people will listen more so each day).
Let's just say, I do a lot of shit talking.
Does anyone know of beekeepers that are allergic to bees?
I am allergic, but I will at one point like to have some bees . . .
Those nice white suits look great, but I have heard one can get stung through them.
I am not really scared of bees, also, I used to play with fire . . . so if you know of any beekeepers who are allergic, or any recommendations from expert beekeepers regarding this, please let me know.
I would be cautious of the retaining wall if its not porous -- if a bunch of water collects behind it, it may blow it out.
But I don't know the layout of your place, and I have seen many solid retaining walls buckle from water pressure and such.
glass is a really poor conductor of heat, so it has some insulative properties.
might be used in crushed form for insulation?
I used to blow glass, and would have a molten blob inches away from hands with virtually no heat moving up through the glass.
the blob would be attached to the glass handle that i was holding
the air around the blob would get hot and radiate heat, not so much with the glass.
I would definitely get rid of the "whilst" it sounds -- well it sounds like someone I wouldn't hire -- it seems unnecessary.
Also, I have noticed a number of permaculturists comment on how it is difficult to convince others of permaculture.
Not that it can't or shouldn't be attempted.
In my experience, my brother in law thought it was crazy, until he saw results.
Do you all sharpen your shovels? It might seem like a dumb question . . . but
I ask, since it seems I have run across a large number of people who don't know one can, and in my opinion should, sharpen almost any tool used for slicing into dirt.
Like one of those simple skills that has been misplaced in a number of areas.
I had an old farmer show me how once. He sharpened both sides with the front of the spade having a very steep edge and the back of the spade a less steep edge.
I like a bench vise the most, but it can be done by sitting on the handle too.
It makes digging, in any soil I have dug, ten times easier.
And really only takes a few minutes/moments with a hand file (or dremel if you have).
Anyway, I am just interested since I see a lot of dull shovels out in the world.
these folks might be of some help http://www.quailsprings.org/event/quail-springs-open-house/ open house on June 2nd --- lots of courses -- Warren Brush is also giving a PDC at Zaytuna farms this year, so Geoff Lawton must think his methods are good -- for what its worth.
I think the wife and I will be heading up there for the open house, should be informative.
I think 75% plus of higher education is a total waste of time -- currently finishing masters -- they don't have anything left to teach, so each class, I learn about the professors family, and they always tell us about apa mechanics. All of my masters courses could have been a knowledgeable person (i.e. professor) posting material for class to read, then submit paper/take test. I get nothing from the seat time except a numb ass. My profession requires degrees. After watching Bill Mollison and Geoff Lawton's PDC video, I have been calling the professors' bluff. It is funny, b/c they respect me more now that they know, that I know, that they have nothing to left to"teach".
I enjoyed undergrad classes b/c it is like mental gymnastics, new ideas, a lot of WOW moments. But in the end, it was mostly mental masturbation -- which is good for the prostate right?
For what it's worth, in the PDC video (and I assume elsewhere) Bill Mollison explicitly lambasts landscape design (I took some courses for this and I totally agree) for not having -- correct me if I'm wrong -- functionality as part of its design paradigm.
He tells a story about putting his watch on the podium for five minutes after asking a group of landscape architects "who here designs functional gardens?" (or some similar idea) basically saying that landscape design might be pretty, but is totally useless except as eye candy.
The only worthwhile part of my education is that I can now write exceptionally according to The Academy (dont ding me on my grammar b/c I don't edit much/any for forum posts and I didn't say perfect).
Writing well is not acquired easily in most cases -- I have complete confidence now. Was this worth the cost of time and money?
For me the answer is a resounding no, but sometimes, one is sidetracked by goals that, in the end, end up being not exactly what one had hoped for in terms of satisfaction. This has happened to me inside and outside The Academy.
Can I earn a good living almost anywhere in the world? yes, could I do that b/4 school? not as much. Does it matter?
So, now I can save for a "grubstake" (as Paul calls it) whereas, b/4 that may not have come to fruition (as quickly) -- but who knows?
I now know a lot of jargon and have technical skills that are useful, but not required, for certain aspects of my permaculture goals.
To quote Bill "They haven't locked the gates yet!"
ps Interestingly, pdc's and earning the permaculture diplomas mimic higher ed, with the major differences (in my perspective) being hands-on requirements and generalization (where the academy honors hyper-specialization). So, if you are a jack/jill of all trades like myself, maybe consider this too.
Yeah, I agree and I think it is fairly obvious lenses don't work without sun, no? Plus, where I am we get 330 days of sun per year, so basically any day it works, not nights.
I am just offering alternatives in response to the question.
Respect ( I like ali g)
On the pluss side, one can start a fire in 3 seconds when the sun is shining, it takes almost no skill sets, where other methods can be "spectacularly unsucessful" as a wise one said cheers.