Deb Stephens wrote:
It's like saying if I decide to roll in poison ivy, please stop me.
You didn't say stop though. You said shoot. Shooting someone to stop them rolling in poison ivy isn't nice.
I was not in any way saying that people who use glitter are bad people.
And yet that is how it sounded. You seem to be implying that might be better off shot.
Honestly, I think someone would have to be very sensitive to read this as "not nice".
Permies.com is full of very sensitive people.
Have we come to the point here where we can't express our own opinions about what we like or don't like?
Well in that post you do seem to have reached the point you can't express your opinion without being nice, yes.
Wow. I don't know how to respond to this. You have managed to make me feel horrible. I hope that was not your intention but maybe I am just one of those sensitive people in this group. I am not going to say any more about this because right now I feel like crying and it is hard to type. It may be a long while, if ever, before I feel like contributing anything here again.
r ranson wrote:I don't see anything in the following that meets publishing standards.
and I hope someone shoots me if I ever even hint at putting glitter in soap!!! I also DO NOT do melt and pour! That is not soapmaking to me.
Qualifying not nice statements with "it's just my opinion" doesn't make them suddenly nice.
I find this totally baffling. I was merely saying that because I don't like glitter, I would hope someone would stop me from using it before I did it and regretted it. It's like saying if I decide to roll in poison ivy, please stop me. I was not in any way saying that people who use glitter are bad people. Honestly, I think someone would have to be very sensitive to read this as "not nice". Have we come to the point here where we can't express our own opinions about what we like or don't like? What if I say, I don't like oatmeal--does that make me not nice because I may make people who DO like oatmeal feel bad for liking it? I'm really struggling to understand this.
As for the second statement ... "I also DO NOT do melt and pour! That is not soapmaking to me." I have explained what I meant by that and I have edited the original post to make it clear. Anyone who knows what melt-and-pour soap is, will likely agree that it is not soapmaking but soap melting and reusing. There is a difference. THAT is not opinion.
I am stupified by your request that I edit my post to make "... aspiring soapmakers happy to read ..." it. This is apparently the objectionable bit of what I said, "... and I hope someone shoots me if I ever even hint at putting glitter in soap!!! I also DO NOT do melt and pour! That is not soapmaking to me. It's as much soapmaking as paint by numbers is art. (Mostly I put up those links for people who want to play with soapmaking in the hope they will learn enough to make real soap someday.)"
First, I don't think that an aspiring soapmaker would be unhappy reading any of that. Aspiring soapmakers would probably like to see opinions about the various types of soapmaking out there and might even smile (would that count as making them happy?) at the glitter comment. (To which I even appended a winking smiley face to ensure it would be treated as a mere light-hearted comment.) I don't like glitter in soap. Maybe someone else does. I didn't say that anyone who uses glitter should be shot. I was clearly offering only MY opinion of glitter in MY soap bars. Would you have flagged this if I said I didn't like a lavender scent or the color pink in soap? Really, this is too ridiculous!
Second, this comment was in response to similar statements in the post above mine. Why was mine singled out but not that one?
Third, I made it very clear that these were merely my opinions--using phrasing like "That is not soapmaking to me."--emphasis on ME. It may be soap making to someone else, but it is not real soapmaking to ME. I think my opinion deserves to be treated with at least some respect because it is based on my thorough knowledge of what soapmaking entails. Someone who knows nothing about the process might think melt-and-pour soaps are soapmaking but the irrefutable FACT is that melt-and-pour bars are ALREADY soap. How can simply melting and pouring into a mold something that someone else already made be considered MAKING soap? It's like heating a tv dinner and bragging about your cooking skills. There is none of the MAKING part of soapmaking involved with melt-and-pour soap products. Besides, and I should have said this before, melt-and-pour products tend to contain many of the nasty chemicals that people who make their own soap list as part of the reason they make their own soap in the first place.
Fourth, The only remark that I can see might be taken the wrong way was this one ... "(Mostly I put up those links for people who want to play with soapmaking in the hope they will learn enough to make real soap someday.)" I agree that might have been worded better (and I intend to edit it) but I was really trying to be positive there. I did not mean to imply that people who used those sites were playing at making soap. I was trying to be concise and ended up being confusing. What I actually meant was that some of those more "fun" sites with their glitter and cute molds and fun little inclusions, etc. might make the art of soapmaking more appealing to people who have previously considered it too daunting to try. The comment above mine mentioned one particular site as offering things that made her feel she was being treated like an idiot child (something to that effect) because the videos there talked down to the viewers about chemistry and math. My comment was actually meant to be encouraging to people who may have felt they were not up to all the chemistry involved in soapmaking while acknowledging that some of the offerings were a bit condescending to those of us who have been doing this awhile. I felt it might offer some of the more fun elements--including easy premade melt-and-pour products--to ease them into real soapmaking. Yes, I said it again--REAL soapmaking. That is my opinion and I am sticking to it.
So ... I just felt I needed to defend myself against what I do take as " ...somebody on staff is being silly". Having had my say, I will now go edit my post to make it very clear that I welcome aspiring soapmakers and truly believe that everyone who wants to be clean should make their own soap. (See? Smilleys!)
Meg Mitchell wrote:IMO the absolute best resource for a beginning soapmaker is Smart Soapmaking by Anne Watson. A lot of soapmaking resources are cargo-culting based on things other soapmakers have said in the past, but Anne bases her work on experience and dispels a lot of common myths in the book. To use a totally random analogy, I'd say she's the Sam Thayer of soap. She even has another book about how to make Castile soap that isn't gross (which I haven't tried yet, but she does explain why Castile soap tends to be so gross and yet such a classic of at-home soapmaking).
I'm not a huge fan of Soap Queen because they use a lot of unnecessary tools and artificial ingredients (they make their $ selling materials and tools, so their recipes tend to use way more than is needed to turn out a good result), and there's been more than one video from them where they insult the viewer's intelligence. I'm a STEM nerd and it annoys me beyond belief to have some woman assure me that it's okay that I'm too dumb to do basic math and chemistry.
I'll have to check out Anne Watson--I've not come across anything by her, but I think you would like Kathy Miller's site too since you prefer to get the basics without all the expensive equipment and ingredients hawked on some of the more glitzy sites like Soap Queen. I actually agree with you on that score--I make all my soap from simple ingredients and use no colorings or fragrances aside from an occasional 1/2 ounce or so of pure essential oil of some sort when I'm feeling a bit decadent. I don't use fancy molds either (mine is made of wood and I made it myself) and I hope someone shoots me if I ever even hint at putting glitter in soap!!! Please note that is only my opinion because I do not like glitter. If you are a fan of glitter, have at it.
I also don't consider using melt-and-pour products to be true soapmaking since they are already made into bars of soap that can be used as-is if desired. None of the processes of soapmaking are involved when doing melt-and-pour soaps--they are merely melted on the stove or in the microwave and poured into molds to re-set. I included some links for people who would like to learn soapmaking but feel a bit threatened by all the chemistry and the complicated processes involved in actual soapmaking. My hope is that by easing into it in a more fun way, they will learn enough to make a venture into the realm of scratch soapmaking someday. Everyone has to start somewhere and if melt-and-pour gets them started, I am all for it. It should be noted, however, that many of the melt-and-pour products contain ingredients similar to commercial soap products, so if you want to make your own soap to get away from nasty chemicals, melt-and-pour is probably NOT the way to go. Read the labels carefully--there are some good bars out there, but they may be more expensive and harder to find.
Oh, and I agree that being patronized on a subject you know well can be very annoying, however, not everyone CAN do basic math and chemistry, so there is a place for it in beginning soapmaking where one must assume that the viewer has zero experience with the process.
By the way, what have you got against Castille soap? A well-made bar is really the best for making a quick version of homemade laundry soap. I grind my bars and remelt them as the base for my laundry soap (with borax and washing soda added). It works great and is a real timesaver when I don't feel like doing the whole hot-process liquid laundry soap. Personally, I find them too drying for regular use on skin, but they do make for a good cleansing bar.
I just posted a thread over in Purity so we can get this soap forum going. It's on the Best Resources for Beginning Soapmakers. If you want to learn about the process, you might check out the thread--I've included a lot of good links.
I am another one who really wants a soapmaking forum, so here is my contribution to the cause.
When I first started making soap a zillion years ago, about the only things I could find were the useful, but hard to follow articles in the old Foxfire books (who remembers Aunt Airie?) I remember creating a first batch that basically stayed semi-liquid for months and burned my hands every time I tested it. I finally threw it out. It took several years for me to get over thinking lye soap was something no one in their right mind would ever want to make. Then along came the internet and I decided to try again ...
The very first website I landed on turned out to be solid GOLD for a beginning soapmaker and I still think it is one of the best out there for the sheer volume of information it contains. If you have about a month with nothing else to do, you can sit and read from dawn to dusk onMiller's Homemade Soap Pages The information there is written and/or compiled by Kathy Miller, who is a true old-fashioned expert on soap. What she has forgotten about the subject is more than most people will ever know. If you have time for nothing else, start there.
And, of course, you will want some reputable places to buy your more exotic oils and other ingredients from (you DO want to create exotic soaps, right ). These are two really great companies with high quality ingredients that I have purchased from myself. I was very happy with all their stuff. Jedwards International and Essential Wholesale.
Finally, when you are ready to make soap, you may want to use a soap calculator to make sure your lye to fat ratios are correct and to customize your bars (or liquid soap) for whatever qualities you prefer (like cleansing, conditioning, lather, etc.). These are great for making exactly what you want to make THE FIRST TIME so you don't waste all those expensive ingredients on a dud batch.
Soap Calc and Brambleberry Soap Calculator and Majestic Mountain Sage Lye Soap Calculator
There is a fun video that every beginning soapmaker should watch as well. I never quite understood how oil and lye made soap until I watched this. It is childishly simple but a perfect way to understand the process ... unfortunately, I can't find it right now. I will keep looking ...
Julie Inmon wrote: I did notice that the fruits were ALWAYS covered in tiny bugs like someone else mentioned. I want to say they were extremely tiny worms of some sort but my memory isn’t great. Does anyone know what they could’ve been and how to prevent/fix that? I’d love to have my own mulberry tree again one day.
NO, NO, NO!!! Those are NOT worms but part of the berry. (My mother used to think the same thing and it made me not want to eat them when I was a kid. Another one of those old folk myths!) Mulberries are actually compound fruits (technically a multiple fruit is called a syncarp) where each little round ball (the technical term is drupelet) is a fruit all by itself although they cluster together to form what we call the berry. Those thread-like things coming off the individual fruits are just the styles leftover from the super tiny flowers. Mulberries form catkins with each individual flower composed of a calyx with 4 sepals. They don't actually have petals like most flowers. So that is what you are seeing--not bugs or worms, but flower parts. Enjoy them, they're delicious!
This seems like an awful lot of work to get rid of something that is native, beautiful in autumn (the early English explorers took it back with them to grow just for the autumnal foliage colors) and even beneficial if you learn to look at it in a different light. (For example, deer love it!) Why not make your path in a different place or at least clear a smaller area and leave some of the poison ivy? Then plant jewelweed (Impatiens capensis) close to the path so if you do brush the poison ivy, you can grab some jewelweed to counteract the effects of the oil (crush the leaves and stems and use the juice on the affected area). In the interests of full disclosure, I'm not allergic so I can probably appreciate its good points better than most.
Wow, all you people with equipment make me jealous. We have 75 acres and every trail and road on it (and believe me there are miles of them from 900' elevation to 1200', across streams, through valleys and up and down hills). They were all made by me--by hand--using a chainsaw, a pair of loppers and a gas-powered weed-trimmer. I maintain them with just the loppers and trimmer. I have roads over 3 miles long and 30' wide that I did this way--by myself--so we could get to all the various wooded areas for cutting firewood. I even cut our 1/4 mile-long driveway through the woods by hand. In addition, I have built quite a few good trails to various points in the national forest next door (rather more primitive, but open enough that I could run with 13 dogs at one point. (I don't take them all at once any more since so many of them are really elderly, but when they were younger, it was probably quite a sight to see us all running along through the woods-- especially since they ranged in size from a tiny chihuahua/pomeranian mix to a Great Dane/pitbull combo and everything in between!)
I also build benches and tables to place in strategic areas (for rest and views) so I can sit and vegetate once in awhile when the notion strikes me. My husband thinks I am insane, of course, but it's kind of my thing.
Burra Maluca wrote:Sounds to me like not listening, or caring enough about what is upsetting you to stop doing the thing you're complaining about when it's a valid complaint is a pretty BIG thing, not a little thing.
Maybe for anyone reading this, we could add 'someone who listens to me and cares enough to make changes' to the list of things that we might want to look for in a partner.
True, it is a BIG thing in the end, but it starts small. Or maybe it is never really about the small things at all and the refusal to change is only a symptom of larger, underlying selfishness that manifests in small ways.
Meg Mitchell wrote:I find Austin's comment especially frustrating because a pattern I have often observed is, a woman will politely bring up a small issue and the man will tell her it's a non issue because in his mind, it's only an issue if it's something he cares about. She brings it up a few times and is summarily dismissed or ignored each time, so she stops trying to bring it up, and then after months/years of putting up with it, she goes off and he says, why didn't you say anything? Thankfully I've never been in this scenario with a romantic partner, only dealt with it in male relatives and observing other people's living situations. Communication is a 2 way street and it requires the person receiving the message to listen and consider what's being said. If you dismiss someone else's concerns immediately because they seem petty to you, I don't see how that can be a healthy relationship. There are always going to be things that one partner cares about more than the other. If you only care about your things and the other person only cares about their things, are you even in a loving relationship or are you just roommates who are angry at each other all the time?
This is probably the truest thing I've read so far and also probably the most recognizable by the majority of women. We try not to make a scene so we likely state the problem in a way that most men--being rather obtuse when it comes to subtle hints--take as being no big deal even to us. So ... safe to ignore. Then when subtlety is no longer an option and we increasingly make a point of saying in no uncertain terms how much something bothers us, we are accused of nagging or being a "bitch". It's kind of a losing scenario for the annoyed partner from the start because saying something nicely has no impact and getting annoyed enough to be blunt about it turns us into nags (from their point of view). That is why it is best to find out where a person stands before getting into a serious relationship.
I wish, for example, that I had known how big a slob my husband was before we were in a committed relationship. If I should ever find myself single again, I will probably eschew ANY further relationship, but IF I should happen to find someone I feel attracted to, the first question I will ask is are you a Felix or an Oscar? (Some of the older folks here will know what I mean by that, everyone else can just Google "The Odd Couple".)
Austin Shackles wrote:Have to say the issues around toilet seat position really do puzzle me. If I approach the toilet and the seat is not how I want it, I put it how I do want it. It's really not hard. If you have a family with predominantly one gender, then I guess the seat will tend to stay a certain way unless there's a house rule that the *lid* should be shut except when the toilet is in use, in which case all bets are off.
This and other small issues can, as you say, gradually escalate until one day after 10 years you attack your partner with a meat cleaver while screaming about the toilet seat - but that only happens if you (both) let it get to that stage. What you have to do is communicate - if you feel strongly about something, discuss it before it becomes a massive issue 'cos it may well be that your other 'alf never even thought it would be a problem. It's a bit silly to curse something for years and eventually have a flaming row about it, and then your partner says "hey, if it's that important, why didn't you say something years ago?" because for them it was a neither here nor there thing that they weren't even thinking about.
Austin, You are making the assumption that the offended partner is suffering in silence (for years apparently) and that the "other half" will even listen to the complaint, much less stop doing the thing you're complaining about. More often the issue has been argued over for years and one partner simply refuses to change or to understand how important the thing is to his spouse. It is that continuance of annoying behavior DESPITE having told the other person a billion times how much you are annoyed by it, that causes the problem. When something is so important to one partner and yet ignored by the other then the action becomes more than just an annoying habit, it is a display of passive-aggression. That changes the dynamic in the relationship quite a bit. It goes from two people who merely have irritating differences in their ordinary habits to two people locked in an endless struggle for control over something that should have been amicably worked out early on.
And that really says something about how the two feel about one another deep down inside. THAT is why I say it is always the little things that bring relationships to an end. It isn't the things themselves but the unspoken intent behind them--the suppressed feelings that emerge in the form of refusal to change an annoying habit merely because it annoys the one you WANT to annoy. The habit is beside the point when the relationship reaches this stage.
By the way, we haven't used a regular toilet for 27 years (we do the humanure compost-toilet bucket thing) so the seat up or down controversy was one we dealt with a loooong time ago. I only chose to mention the toilet seat issue because I happen to know it is a major pet peeve in many households. The reason women get pissed over this particular issue is that they are the ones who, getting up in the middle of the night and not turning on the lights on because they don't want to disturb the rest of the house, proceed to stumble sleepily into the bathroom and sit down IN THE WATER!!! If you had ever done that, you would be pissed too. I finally convinced my husband to leave the seat down by using logic and simple math to prove that the seat default position should be down. I argued that in our household it was used in the down position over 70% of the time anyway, while up only 30% of the time, therefore, it made sense to leave it in the most used position.
I REALLY REALLY want to contribute to this thread but since I am married (have been for 37 years) I'm not sure I can say what I want in a relationship without saying a lot of stuff I am not sure I want to say about the relationship I am in. I'm pretty sure I will eventually, but I want to think about it for awhile longer. Meanwhile, there is something I do want to mention ...
I've noticed a trend toward a want list of attributes and virtues that seem a bit ... how to say this ... idealistic? No, that isn't quite it, but I can't think how to say it. It's just that all the "he should be honest and kind and compassionate and gentle and caring, etc. " stuff is so abstract. All of that is well and good, but I think young people (and some older folks too) who haven't been in a long-term relationship before put too much emphasis on things that aren't grounded in the reality of everyday life. Lots of very kind, caring people can be jerks about things like leaving their clothes all over the floor or not taking out trash. And let's never forget the all-important test ... does he leave the toilet seat up?! Those are obviously borderline sexist examples, but they are meant to be. I want to point out that no matter how dreamy and perfect your ideal mate is in the abstract, he or she will still sometimes do little things that drive you insane. You may have all the major topics covered and checked for compatibility, but it is NEVER the big things that break the relationship. It is ALWAY the little things. So, don't forget those little things. If you have a pet peeve, find out where s/he stands on that thing. Even if it is as basic as whether s/he sorts the whites from the colored clothes when doing the laundry or takes off their shoes at the door when entering the house or makes the bed first thing after getting up in the morning, or slurps their coffee ... you get the idea. If it bugs you now, it will make you murderous after a few years. Believe me, I know.
Geno Shrt wrote:I am listing this ad to see if there is anyone interested in joining together to start an Ecovillage/Intentional Community in the Northern Arkansas or Missouri Ozarks. Please feel free to comment or message me and we can go from there.
We've been trying to find people for the same reason for quite awhile without luck. We're down near Branson and have land adjacent to Mark Twain National Forest near Hercules Glade Wilderness. Do you already have a place or are you just looking for people and planning to buy something together. PM me and we can talk if you are interested in possibly joining forces. (You may want to check out some of my posts on this topic first.)
I know that not many people grow luffa at all and those who do, generally grow it as a novelty or for the "sponges". However, did you know that luffa is actually also a delicious edible? It not only makes a great substitute for cooked or fresh summer squash when medium-sized and still green (although you may need to peel it) but while still fairly small and tender can be used fresh (without peeling) as a substitute for cucumbers as well.
We have extremely hot, humid summers where I live--in addition to squash bugs, vine-borers, blister beetles and Yellow Cucumber Vine Wilt (a really bad disease of cucurbits, melons and squashes)--all of which means that we have a heck of a time getting anything edible off our cucumber and squash vines these days. Luffa, on the other hand, seems unperturbed by most things and once it gets started, will produce tons of fruits right up until frost. It's nice to have something that consistently produces when the rest of the garden is over-run by pests and diseases!
Another thing ... there is a "winged" variety (actually, this was the species that I was first introduced to years ago before I found out some of them were smooth) that is a night-bloomer. The flowers open up in huge masses and attract night-flying moths as pollinators. The smooth variety that I've planted has day-blooming flowers so you can mix them together and attract pollinators day or night. The flowers smell good too!
Tanya Anderson wrote:Everyone in my family is allergic to duck. I found out when I was 15 and treated to a special duck dinner prepared especially for my birthday in the Poconos. I was so ill that I had to be rushed to the hospital. Years later, frying everything in duck fat became a huge fad in the U.S. and I ran across some duckfat fried potatoes that made me quite ill in a popular food establishment in Washington, D.C. The restaurant said that they had never heard of the allergy before. About 20 years later, while living in Oman, I tried a dish at a Chinese restaurant that contained some duck, with even more disastrous results. Later, in Morocco, some friends took us to their farm and offered us raw milk (I am lactose intolerant) and duck eggs. No matter how much I tried to politely refuse them, they insisted that I take the milk and eggs home with me for my "health." I gave them to a neighbor, because I was so afraid, I didn't want to handle the eggs. Everyone is always surprised when I list duck and rhubarb as my food allergies, but, although they are uncommon, they have proven many times to be true.
I can definitely sympathize! I am extremely allergic to the eggs so I might also be allergic to the duck meat if I ever ate it. (I won't, of course, because I am a vegetarian). We never found anyone to take our ducks so I just avoid getting too close to them--my husband deals with them completely now and I only handle the eggs (we feed them to our dogs) while wearing rubber gloves just to be safe. I'm 63 and never had an allergy before so this really sucks!
Ellendra Nauriel wrote:
If stress is the key, then swatting the branches with something might help. It sounds ridiculous, and I haven't tried it myself, but a friend who runs an orchard swears by it. She uses a rolled-up newspaper, but I've found other accounts of people using baseball bats, or just random fallen branches they found.
Sounds so MEAN! I'm not sure I could do that--I would feel so bad about it afterward.
That is so neat! Nature always takes advantage of an opportunity, doesn't she? I guess the wet seed heads acted like a kind of 'peat pot' complete with moisture to help germination. I've never seen this before, but now I'm going to have to stroll outside and look at my marigolds! :)
I decided to look up Myrobalan plum too, just to see if I could find more about it under that name, and found quite a bit. Plants For a Future gives it a better review than the Missouri Botanical Garden, although, to be fair, they are reviewing Prunus cerasifera alone--not necessarily the cultivar 'pisardi' that you are interested in. You may want to read that too because it gives it a 4 out of 5-apple edibility rating.
I hadn't heard of this particular cultivar so I did some digging to find out more. According to the Missouri Botanical Garden it is also called Myrobalan plum, and it is native to western Asia and the Caucasus. They also say it produces fruit that is relatively tasteless AND it is not used as an ornamental tree but more as a general landscape plant where a small tree is useful. I suspect it would be good for birds, however, as it is a cherry plum and the one we have (not this cultivar as far as I know) is swarmed by birds every year. It is also susceptible to a lot of disease and insects. Just so you know. If you still want it though, I discovered that the Missouri Botanical Garden has a specimen in their Japanese garden that they acquired back in 2007 from this nursery ...
Crabapple Cove Nursery
6961 Telegraph Road
St. Louis, MO
I don't know if this nursery is still in business, but a quick call should tell you that and let you know if they have a specimen available. If not, maybe you could get some seed from the one in the Missouri Botanical Garden collection. Hope that helps!
Ellendra Nauriel wrote:Mulberries are one of the three things that are tied for first place on my list of favorite fruits.
I have several of them growing wild on my property. They don't fruit every year, though, so I'll be adding some named cultivars eventually. I have noticed that the wild ones bear fruit depending more on stress than on the size of the tree. I've gotten berries off a tiny little sapling 2 feet tall, but that sapling only bore fruit the year after it survived a huge drought.
At one of my old jobs, there was an area behind the building that had run wild. The mulberries back there were covered in big, sweet berries every summer. I'd sometimes sneak in on the weekends just to pick them. When I'm ready to plant more trees, I'll probably grab a few cuttings from those, to see if it was the tree or the growing conditions that made them so productive.
I've noticed that mulberries are inconsistent fruiters (is that a word? ) as well. I've got one tiny tree--only about 5' tall when it started bearing (it's about 15' now) and several others that are much larger that have never born fruit. They are everywhere around here on our property and in the national forest next door, but I only find a few that consistently bear fruit and they come in every size, shape and condition. I'm not sure what the factor is that promotes fruiting but I sure wish I did so I could get more of them to fruit!
I wish I could taste red mulberry (Morris rubra), but it’s an American native and they don’t sell it in Australia. I assume it won’t taste as good as black mulberry given that most people in the US have no interest in it.
I beg to differ on this one Tim! Red mulberries are delicious--way better than blackberries in my opinion. They are sweet and juicy and like the black mulberry, they ripen over a long season so you can eat them fresh for a very long time. I think the reason most Americans don't eat them (unless, like me, they grew up eating them) is that the majority of my fellow citizens don't even know they exist. Most Americans think food comes from a grocery store. If it isn't there or in some fast food restaurant, they don't see it as food. Sad but true.
William, that is a very nice composting toilet for having been made from scraps! I think I could even convince some of my hard-headed relatives (who think they can't go without flushing valuable water down the drain) to use it. I may just steal your design and make a couple of those!
Chokri Hizem wrote:Okra is a popular health food due to its high fiber, vitamin C, and folate content. Okra is also high in antioxidants and is a good source of calcium and potassium. Both the taste and flavor of my organic home grown okra are excellent!
How to Grow Okra
If yours get as big as mine do, the plant makes an excellent screen as well. Mine often grow as much as 12' in a season and have stems the size of sapling trees--sometimes as much as 2" in diameter! Don't forget that the okra flowers are also extremely attractive, and you can eat the leaves too. An all-around great plant.
Alex Arn wrote:My grandmother's farm in northern Missouri had quite a few of them. Does anyone know varietals that will work in zone 3b?
I didn't know this until recently when I was looking up some information about mulberries, but there is only ONE native mulberry in the USA -- red mulberry (Morus rubra). According to the USDA Plant database it probably won't do well in your area. It more or less stops in a north-south line from South Dakota to Texas. However, if you don't mind going to a non-native species, the white mulberry (Morus alba) has been introduced successfully in your neck of the woods and beyond. I don't know what the quality of the fruit is, but you could probably find cultivars easily enough through a nursery.
Dori Ahern wrote:Hi Deb. I am interested in your offer, definitely at least to visit. Is there any way to text privately or phone? My email is Dorishaktiblue@yahoo.com You and your place sound lovely. How far are you from West Plains?
We're about 2 hours or so away from West Plains. Please contact me through this site using the Purple Moosages and we can talk further. Thanks!
Well, they did say they wanted to be in Europe, so the USA is out even without figuring taxes in. However, in defense of the US, there are states that do not have personal property taxes AND in some other places, the taxes are very low. For example, in our low-income county in Missouri, we have 75 acres with a house and outbuildings but have never paid even $100 per year for the 27 years we've been here.
I am not west of the Rockies, unfortunately, but I think it is great that you are trying to bring back the American chestnut. There is a group here in Missouri doing the same thing with a resistant variety of Butternut that has been pretty much wiped out through the years for similar reasons. Good luck with your project!
That is gorgeous! I think most people think of Alaska as this big snow and ice-covered wilderness (which I am sure it is in winter!) but forget that it has a summer too. And what a summer! From all I have heard and read, you can produce a ton of incredibly big vegetables in Alaska summer gardens. If I wasn't too old to start over, I would be very tempted to head your way. Thanks for the video!
Sami Muggy wrote:You totally had me, until you mentioned the vegan thing! My husband and I are looking for exactly what you are speaking of! But we want to raise animals to eat and to sell to eat as well! If you ever decide to change this stipulation please contact me!
Sorry, that is probably THE most important thing to us. We love animals and will never allow them to be raised for food on our land. I hope you find what you are looking for.
Nigel Velasco wrote:Hi all,
I am looking to volunteer to learn in exchange for food/shelter for several weeks. Who has a project they need help with? I am in Mexico right now but will build in Ohio, I can make it to anywhere in between....
Can you tell us something about yourself? Also: What sort of projects are you looking for and what sort of skills do you have or want to learn? What would you require in the way of shelter and food?
Jr. Gibson wrote:Hello, I have lived off grid for 10 years. I have all kinds of skills, solar, wind turbines, electrical, plumbing, survival, and gardeni g, fishing ,and hunting. I'm a veteran, and a caring person. It would be nice to be around some nice people. I have a small income coming In every month. I hope to find a off grid partner on down the road. I'm interesting in helping you out.
Hi Jr. I will send you a PM later with some more information about us, our place and what we're looking for. Meanwhile, would you mind messaging me with a bit more info about yourself and your long-term goals? Thanks!
Tyler Ludens wrote:I think photos of your place would be good in this thread.
I'm working on it! I didn't realize I could store pictures here but Mike Barkley has been educating me about how to go about it so I am trying to find some shots to upload. Unfortunately, my good camera is on the blink (dust inside, I think -- needs professional cleaning) and at practically the same time it stopped working I also lost the external hard drive that I used for years to store all my digital photos. I think the hard drive can be recovered, but I have to order a $45 chip to solder into it to even find out if that will do it, and I've been putting it off. So ... I am a bit limited to the few photos I have on my PC at the moment. Still, there are a few shots here and there of the garden, dogs, chickens, etc. to get sort of a feel for the place until I can either fix the camera or the hard drive.
My head is spinning! I prefer to think that, despite color, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a duck. It may explain why one of my Cayugas (black ducks) is turning white as she gets older though. (Well, she's only 2 years old now but started turning white late last year). Could be she has two extended black alleles combined with the white spot pattern genes. I suspected as much!
We just happen to be looking for someone like you to park a tiny house on our land. I started this thread a few days ago Person with tent or tiny house wanted, (and then started another on the same subject from a different angle -- which I can point you to as well. That one kind of went south fast for some reason, but it has some further information in it about what we're looking for so you may want to read it too. It is titled "What's wrong with Missouri?")
I see you are looking for something in California, but would you possibly consider Missouri? We have lots of land and you could have as big a garden here as you like. (We're in zone 6b-7a so do get some winter, but it is mild and we still have a comparatively long growing season.)
Anyway, contact me if you have any interest and we can talk. I can give as much detail as you want about the place and our plans, I just don't like putting everything out here for public consumption and would prefer to do it through private messages.
Judith, I remember what you were going through and that you had to sell. It's too bad because your place was really wonderful!
We didn't have to sell...living in this little town just became more and more appealing
We were so lucky with the couple who bought our place...they are into permaculture and have done so much work there already making it a productive farm. They keep in touch and we can follow their progress...a little like armchair homesteading I guess. For us, this slightly less than an acre on the edge of town is wonderful and in many ways easier to focus on and much better for us physically. We've never regretted our decision to sell.
Sorry Judith, I didn't mean it quite the way I said it -- my wording was bad. I know you didn't HAVE to sell. I sort of meant it as more like you "reluctantly decided to sell". Either way, I'm glad you found someone who loves "your" place and keeps you updated. It sounds like a great relationship. I think I wouldn't mind selling either if we could find the right people like you did. I have always wanted to live near the ocean and would jump at the chance to trade places with someone on the coast if I could feel good about leaving this place to people who would love it as we do.