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| [+] food as medicine » Tooth decay reversal diet (Go to) | Anne Miller | |
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I thought that vit K from greens was not the right one for us and for our teeth....
Phytic acid can actually help with getting phosphorus, I have read in some nutritional balance text! Especially in a diet rich in dairies, thus a lot of calcium. Oats + milk? It seems that fructose is the culprit for at least some people, seen in people who tried to use this instead of regular sugar... A big jump in tooth decay while using it. I dont know if fruits do the same. __________________________________________ About humans having the same nutritional needs: yes and no, if it is true that it depends on our microbiome! I think we are real omnivores and that we can adapt, unless we have some problems with our guts, like from antibiotics, or a problem with our autonomic nervous system / vagus nerve. In that case we will not produce the same stomach acid, not enough, and this gives difficulties to digest proteins. If we have H. Pylori, then this bug will change a few things to help HIM survive, and we will not be able to digest our food in the same way until we use some plants like ginger etc. Soooo... we have the same needs, and we have to find what is different in us, so that we can act on it and become able to digest and assimilate a broad range of food. I think it can also be possible that it is not worth trying it, or impossible according to the issue, and then we are better off some food and adapt our diet to our specific needs. The challenge is to know what is our specific issue, and then see if it is possible to correct it or not. Do not underestimate the power of somatic methods to regulate the parsympathetic state, as this state is an absolute necessity for our digestive and inmune systems to work properly. And we have to direct mental way to act upon our ANS, we cannot force this state, we can just do the necessary for our body to access this state better. Some people have even become able to re-eat gluten! |
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| [+] dogs and cats » Dog Body Language Quiz (How well can you read your dog?) (Go to) | Lucrecia Anderson | |
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Yep, a lot of guard dogs like your Anatolian ...just climb up the ladder and skip all steps! That is exactly why I said at the beginning that I did not like the ladder image, because it can make people think it is all the time like this.
The lack of inhibition is at ANS level, a lack of the social engagement system. There a 2 types of beings: the ones I know, and the others. Social engagement is good only with one type, you guess which one... Then they are also dogs that freeze easily, so their signals are easy to see: they tense and get more immobile. When I see this, I do not like it! Because some stay in the freeze and inhibited state, and others might come out of it, with a surge of the sympathetic system, and that usually means snap or bite. The ones that stay inhibited are the ones who do not seem to care if you touch them. The difference with the dog that is at ease is in the obvious desire or not to socially engage. Newbies to dogs, and also some others, can tend to think that they only need to ask the owner if the dog is dangerous or nice. When you know dogs, you just ask the dog! But you do not ask if it is safe for you.... you ask if the dog AGREES! It is so easy to invite a dog by doing half of the movement forward and wait for a sign that it is ok to go on! In that case the dog will do another part of the way to touch. Well, some dogs are also "badly educated" haha, and do not ask you and just jump on you! Well, some dogs do that, and some people also do that! In both cases, it does not always work! Yes you are right that some signs can show that a dog was physically abused, and how. But also, some dogs who need to see new things from a distance and get used slowly because they saw not enough different things as puppies, can be afraid by something they have never seen. When it is not an abuse, you will see this when it is windy! Hanging clothes that can move alone, running plastic bags... I have a story of a dog that was abused only in a specific situation, which was to push him competing while skying. He was sold from abroad and got several owners because nobody could make him gallop, though he had a prestigeous winning palmares. He would sometimes, and then would block and become closed and only trot. The sport I talk about is the scandinavian ski-pulka. I ran with him several times and solved the problem, until it returned in a special condition that made it all clear! I keep the suspense and do not tell now.... The first time, well I could hardly follow him and he was quite happy to run. There was a big slope downward and I felled. The dog stopped and went half his size. He was so pityful that I burst into laugh. I asked him what was going on, and if he had ever seen a fall! As I knew he went only with top level people... Ok, he had never seen this. When he saw my reaction, he went up at 110% of his size and I still remember his big smile! I felled down several more times on the way, and each time he was less afraid, and he was even laughing at me! Yes he was.... He was looking at me like "are you ready" and waited I could go before starting. Eventually the hook went off and he went running alone, having great fun, though the other runners no! He passed the line alone, and I passed alone later.... much later of course... The next day I was allowed to run but attached. We had great fun. Then there was a race where I blew all the times, as I got even ahead all men! There was a difficult slope uphill, and I was such a weight that he nearly felt backward in surprise. He sighed - I think - and went walking quietly.... I thought I was never going to make it uphill! Spontaneously I called him and said "please help me!". I believe it only because i saw it, or else i would not: He gathered himself and started to pull as mad. I made each time more effort, until I could ski as if on a flat surface! By the way, I still have a tendinitis where both biceps attach... Then I got the dog for a night race. I dont remember what I did that also had to do with the sticks, but the dog shut down as he was known to do, and that is when I understood. There was a lot of public at this place. I think the path was not well indicated and I had to drag him to go back to the right track. I was also tired. He went on trotting until the finish line. He knew that he could do whatever he wanted when there were people around, because his first owner could not beat him then. So he was making profit to say "F*** off". If i could go back, instead of going on and encouraging him with my voice, I would stop, though it would have mean to be cold. After 30 years this is all I remember about him and the story! |
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| [+] dogs and cats » Dog Body Language Quiz (How well can you read your dog?) (Go to) | Lucrecia Anderson | |
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Some dogs that were not badly treated actually look as if they have been! The signs of low early socialisation look exactly the same! And the interpretation is usually that the dog has been treated badly / hurt. Not always and much less than we think.
It is the same as what Lucretia mentionned about her being sure she has not treated one pup differently than the others: there is more about it. Pups have as little time as wolf pups to get used to the world before they enter an age with fear touching them more, and they have to live in a much more difficult and complex world. So there are 2 things, the limited time of socialisation and not all that they need being covered at the ideal moment + all that happens to them that do not come from humans. Same for training, we do train anyway even without knowing, and dogs are also as us: they self train! And they are also trained by the outside world and not only by us. I remember a dog living with his master who worked in a petrol station... Who taugh him to bring his bone when a truck came in? not cars, only big trucks. I guess that it happened by chance once.... and the dog just noticed that he coud eat the bone marrow after the breaking! |
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| [+] dogs and cats » Dog Body Language Quiz (How well can you read your dog?) (Go to) | Lucrecia Anderson | |
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As you can see, trust what you see and hear! That is what body language is about: you can see the truth much better than what can be guessed from knowing the story of a person or an animal. And sometimes we do not know the story. But still, we can see the signals, and it is obvious with this dog, as you notice that he shows more signals than others.
You will never know what happened, as he can also have been compressed too long time, or something with the ombilic cord. It just seem that something created some pain. Size at birth is not relyable when fathers are different, or parents not the same size/breed. But I have noticed very often that the smallest are more noisy from the beginning! Then some have collapsed into too much fear, and others have kept enough energy to be fighters and energical. They can conquere the world.... Oh also about the first ones... the mother is less available, because still in the process of "latching" the next ones! They can also be stepped upon when she turns around in the nest. All that is traumatic will depend on the recovery through close contact and care. At what moment they can be quiet and drinking milk after birth is also impacting. Some dogs show not enough signals to others, and they are not that good for relating to others sometimes, because they also read and considere others' signals much less! The breeds that show more signals are often the primitive ones, wolf type. Labradors show much less and often disrespect others' signals. It seems that they say "Why are you not at ease with me, look how much of a good boy I am!" And this is typically a human's mistake too! When we have good intentions, we tend to override the message a shy dog will give, because we feel that we can convince them we are "good"! But the truth is that we need to respect the messages and "do not take it personally". The ANS is much slower to shift in some individuals than others, and the fast ones have to take patience, and also not misjudge the ones who have a slower rythm. Dog signs are made for this, indicate what is going on, so that the relationship can flow. I remember my dog trying to invite another one into her sphere, and the dog was super afraid and lost after coming out of the car where he was sick. His eyes were not focussing and the pupilla was big. The one that was at ease kept approaching and going away to show respect. All the body language was friendly, but never pushy. The distance was calculated according to the other's reaction. Then happened a few shifts as the dog started to snif around a bit more, and was actually landing. But what was extraordinary, and all this would have diserved a video, was when the calm dog decided to run and meet the second one WHEN THE RIGHT SIGN WAS NOT EVEN FINISHED! But when he arrived nearby, the dog actually DID connect! The sign that he showed was SHAKING his skin, which takes a few seconds. At the moment he started to shake, the nice and wise dog got a super smile and seemed to think "Yeah, at least! Now he is ok!" And 2 seconds later, the 2 dogs were looking at each other and both had their mouth open, you know when they nearly look like dolphins! And they started playing... |
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| [+] dogs and cats » Dog Body Language Quiz (How well can you read your dog?) (Go to) | Lucrecia Anderson | |
Thanks Lucretia to make me feel it was useful! You also give me the opportunity to precise a bit more.... 1st, even if I think you meant right, let's precise that automatic / unconscious does not mean this is un-intelligent at all! It is another form of intelligence, but it is our best inner wise! (yes we have it too...)
Breeds do have features in common indeed, though not about the dangerousness as some laws tend to make believe. BUT, with a very specific "nurture", it is possible to modify some of the innate character! I have modified fearful puppies, but it has to be done much before 2 months old so this is a bredders' job. As you noticed with your dog, fearful dogs are much more easy to live with for a few points.... So I have transofrmed those dogs into being nearly too strong in their heads, which means the owner has to be careful and learn! Because what people call "being alpha" or dominate, is just some use of fear, and those dogs are not so sensitive to threat! (yes dominance exists but it is not really about training) Dogs behaviour were selected from the different phases of hunting. This can be seen obviously in the differences between sheepdogs, according to what is asked. It is the approach of the prey. Then hunting dogs also show that it is possible to select for increasing one part of the hunting behaviour! Then, about reaction to threat, it is possible to select for more often choosing fight instead of fear, and then you get a better guard dog. But also more danger from the dog. Well, if the dog doess not feel threatened and is correctly socialized, it is not dangerous.
I hope you will like to re-think your opinion here! It is obvious that he has difficulties to regulate his nervous system, as he uses those sigals often. It is also obvious that you did the right choice for him! What I suggest to rethink is what is "a bad experience"... He was born crying and maybe more little than others? He might just have had a bad experience during gestation and/or birth! Then it is enough to not regulate as well as the others, and thus making it difficult to relate to another species from the beginning. I have had a big stress in-utero myself, and had difficulties to cope with people, especially as far as I can remember as a child. I have had difficulties to mention this sort of thing in the forum, as it was sometimes badly interpreted, about being introvert for example. When talking about trauma or bad experiences, we have to take care that seemingly ordinary events can be traumatizing! And we do not take into account sufficiently what we do not cause.... But the outside world also creates bad experiences we are not responsible of! We underestimate the influence of health issues, microbs, fungi, parasites, chemicals and pollutants, and in-utero events, on all living beings and even before birth (even more because part of the nervous system is not mature. The freeze part is mature before, because anyway we cannot fight nor flee very far during pregnancy. So we freeze/dissociate). Of course there are genetic issues as well as we can be stronger or weaker, but this can also count as a form of stressor. And it is known now that genes express or not, according to the nervous system! |
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| [+] paleo » Ketogenic Diet (Go to) | carla beemer | |
Look for Grant Genereux blog! He also had eczema, and with keto you need to mind your levels of vitA, and he discovered he had too much and went on a vitA reduction diet that worked for eczema... Also, carotene seems to be inflamatory as much as omega 6. I have just written about it in the zero carb thread. I have just received my ketone test.... I am not sure, as I eat high protein, and I have just lowered my fats because my liver could not handle it. I eat mostly fish those days. And I have eaten berries. When possible, I think cyclng with seasons is good. About bullet proof coffee: nobody mentionned adding an egg yolk! But it is very good if you manage to turn your coconut oil into a mayo! Creamy coffee, and no more oil floating on the coffee.... Do not cook it with too hot coffee though.... and heat your coconut oil into liquid form. Mu liver also protests with coconut oil! And who knows what is the difference between burning fatty acids and ketones? After all, we can also burn fatty acids directly, and also proteins without turning them into glucose! I do not mind making glucose, as my main goal is to have a good digestion. I agree that gluten problem is with nerves more than guts, or both.... i had bloating and diarrhea, but mainly, if I ate gluten without knowing, i would feel as if I had drunk 50 cups of coffee! Tense and shaky and nervous. Oh, it was not said that the difference between keto and paleo is that keto uses dairies and paleo dos not! It was nice to learn by Maureen that people in Africa eating high traditional carbs were doing so because meat and fat are considered as food for the rich! And that they have 60% diabetis.... I was already thinking that this was the case for India, or else why diabetis is so much said in Ayurveda to be cured by this or that? Because their diet leads to a lot of diabetis? When I see their population, my conclusion was that meat was a rich persons food, and that humanity was forced to a carb diet by the increase in population! When people can, they eat animal based food. And cows are in ketosis....? their bacterias produce SCFA because they are ruminants! We cannot do as good, even with resistant starch. Now I orient my garden work for animal and berries production! |
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| [+] paleo » raw paleo, raw meat, anyone? (Go to) | Lucrecia Anderson | |
I have thought about this too.... Conclusion if I imagine... Raw meat is much much tender and tasty when eaten alone, so I am sure men have been eating raw meat a lot. So why cooking? Well, to get the last bits near the bones for example! Then, did fire started to be used for cooking? No, I guess for the smoke and avoid FLIES. Then they certainly noticed that the fire and the smoke would keep things safe for a few more days, from flies and other predators. Then the meat would eventually dry and could be kept.... ...And we still eat RAW dry and smoked ham! And fish too. Smoked mackerel hmmmm! Then cooking became useful to eat non edible raw foods, that other animals were not able to eat! |
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| [+] paleo » raw paleo, raw meat, anyone? (Go to) | Lucrecia Anderson | |
Common thought! I can tell you that raw meat is more tender! I buy the sort of meat that you need to boil for hours, and yet... it is TENDER! I have tried to cook it, and at the first boil they shrink and become hard. So then you need 3 more hours to get the job done.... Botulism I think, comes from preserving and not pasteurizing well. It is different than raw meat. |
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| [+] composting » Things everyone should know about compost but probably don't (Go to) | Hans Quistorff | |
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Great! I have been wondering how much carbon was going back into the air, and also Nitrogen....
3/4 is a lot, so we need to do something indeed! How thick should the layer be? My guess is to not see the layer underneath, so as to block enough pathways... But the successive layers might be enough to compensate? This is a more "heavy" work, soil weights! I hate doing compost only for this reason... What do you think about burrying? Ok, even more work, but then we have soil! I usually have a trench in a place in the garden, that I fill and cover. Like 50-60 cms. A work all the time on the go... |
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| [+] food as medicine » My Experience Eating Nothing From Plants, aka Zero Carb (Go to) | Jay Angler | |
Nope, not only supps can hurt us! Yes some people can hurt themselves by eating too much plants. Not everything is safe in nature! Mostly, plants have toxins that are a good stimulus for some persons, but too much of a good stimulus can lead to wreak havoc on the body. Most people know nothing about the toxicity of plants unfortunately. Different people will react to different toxins, like saponin or oxalic acid or salicilic acid.... And caroten seems to act like an inflamatory substance like an excess of omega 6 fats. Carotens are a problem for people with a slow liver and thyroid, and the big quantity of caroten in many plants, and even greens may also lower thyroid according to the thyroid specialist Peat! “I avoid carotene, because it blocks thyroid and steroid production, and very large, excessive, amounts of vitamin A, retinol, can do the same.” "Carotene is highly unsaturated and it has the same effect of interfering with thyroid function because of this series of unsaturations." http://www.functionalps.com/blog/2012/10/08/carotenemia-hypothyroidism/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCOpp8qRl_Q A nutritionist commenting on the possible usefulness of a 3 months vitA detox diet: https://butternutrition.com/vitamin-a-detox-diet/ |
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| [+] rabbits » Dealing with toxic plants (like euphorbia peplus - what else?) (Go to) | Laura Nunes | |
I thought that too, but it proved wrong in practise. Sheep / goats are big enough to not die with a few plants, but both rabbits and guinea pigs do DIE ! Even when they have plenty of food, they eat it. And it is proven in some places with a lot of euphorbia, that milk gets toxic. Toxins accumulate in the body. Some other plants are known also to poison cattle, and who is there to know and check out if wild animals never die from toxic plants? Animals are smart but when do not live in nature, I think we have some misconceptions. |
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| [+] food as medicine » My Experience Eating Nothing From Plants, aka Zero Carb (Go to) | Jay Angler | |
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Yes carotenoids can also be harmful.
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| [+] plants » Garden euphorbias (like euphorbia peplus) (Go to) | Xisca Nicolas | |
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Which euphorbias do you have as weeds in your garden?
I have a lot of euphorbia peplus and it is a problem because it poisons guinea pigs or rabbits to death, and it can be among edible plants for salads. Here is what I know about the plant and my tips to deal with it. So I have decided to weed it off.... Then I am at least nearly safe for the season, and limit the seeds spreading. It takes time, some might think it is crqzy to do this.... but what I do brought me very interresting side effects... I have become able to SEE the plant even if i do not look for it. Sometimes I just FEEL the alert and I look better and I find it. So it means that it was visible to my unconscious eyes! I have been practising in general with plants for a long time, as I love identification. It is just incredible how much I have developped my capacity to distinguish the same plant in different stages of development, and I can even recognize the specific color from a distance. My tips: Know the plant: They grow by patch and when you find one, look for others They love to be near stones or under big leaves for shade. They grow from the mother plant where it died, obviously. Then they are also carried by shoes, as I have noted them near paths. They also go down with gravity. They do not seem to be carried by either wind nor fur. Their life cycle is quite short, like 2 months, so hurry up before the seeds. Snails eat it, and then the cut stem will grow 2 side branches. Weed: I have learned so far that they regrow if only cut and need to be uprooted or cut very near the ground. I weed with 2 hands, 1 to take the top, and the 1 goes down to the ground following the stem, even between grasses. The grown plant is often bent, so it avoids cutting the stem. They also can re-root and they can finish their seeds after cutting them. So I put them in a bucket with water to make them rot. But they float and grow! They need a weight over. Safe grass harvest for animals: When I collect grass, I do so with a sharp blade and look at the cut handfull of tight grass together, so that I can see any drop of white milk. It is still dangerous with very small plants, and the quantity of sap seem to vary a little with the moon. So the other trick is to know roughly how tall they are developped at the beginning of the season, and cut above this size. It is not safe to pull the plants for food, as a piece of milkweed can be pulled together. Confusions: It depends how experienced you are, but I would say that you have to be careful in the middle of stelaria media if you pull a lot at the same time. Its taste is only mildly bitter and is not puting off... |
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| [+] rabbits » Dealing with toxic plants (like euphorbia peplus - what else?) (Go to) | Laura Nunes | |
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I have found no list, and the only link was broken....
I also want to discuss about tips to safely collect grass. How can you pasture animals when you have toxic plants? Yes they can eat them, I do not rely on instinct for this! What is toxic to rabbits and guinea pigs? I can tell you that any little piece of unseen milkweed kills a guinea pig. I have become a detective to see this plant even when I do not look for it! Do not believe they will not eat it... they do! Rabbits too! |
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| [+] food as medicine » My Experience Eating Nothing From Plants, aka Zero Carb (Go to) | Jay Angler | |
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I- ZC being mostly useful to people with auto-immune disorders - including crohn or UC ; psoriasis and arthritis - I suggest reading this:
https://ggenereux.blog/2016/04/22/ending-the-mystery-of-auto-immune/ The success of ZC can also come from getting rid of excess Vit A, if eggs and butter are excluded. Greens are by far the richest source of Vit A. People who have eaten enriched food could be concerned most. Grant is not on ZC at all but meat and rice and a sort of bean that has less vitA. Of course if you eat only the beef, you get the same benefit as him, so it depends if the person has intolerance to carbs or not, in addition to a problem with vitA. This is worth checking! VitA, if not used by the body, is a burden on the liver. This forum, that is all about carbs, and more VitA rich liver and oysters than muscle meat, has a serious discussion about this diet, very well explained by the OP, here: https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/grant-genereuxs-theory-of-vitamin-a-toxicity.24722/ II- The state of our digestive system depends on the vagus nerve, and let's say the right balance of the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system. The vagus nerve is the main parasympathetic nerve and its correct activation in "rest & digest" state is needed for the digestive system to work well. You can also read here about the "cell danger response" or CDR. Whatever attacks the body puts not only the ANS but all cells in defense mode, which take away a lot of our vital energy. I considere it as a MUST read! https://chronicillnesstraumastudies.com/cell-danger-response-disease/ By the way... Veronique Mead has eaten ZC for a few years, and she is now able to increase again her range of eating.... She was a doctor and has then started to study the somatic field of early inrecognized trauma, and she is trained in Somatic Experiencing (SE) which I am also. SO If what you eat puts your cells in CDR mode, you will not feel good. And it is personal, though it would be interesting to know more about who can benefit from which diet! How much time for trials we could save.... It is difficult to know what is the problem because our body is so resilient that it takes time to be so bad that we have consequences. But when we reach unhealth, well we know that it takes time for the body to go back to a secure feeling allowing to switch back to a better metabolism. We are all mostly in adaptations to our environment, and to often to a bad environment. The body, when you do better for it, is suspicious for a long time before accepting to change its coping and adaptative ways! ZC works first by removing triggers. "What does not kill you reinforces you" is not true if you have been damaged as it is close to killing. You are reinforced when you can successfully adapt, this yes. But it needs to be progressive, and it relies on the self-regulation of the 2 branches of the autonomic nervous system - ANS - which is like the movement of a pendulum. The wider the better. Hormesis is important, triggering some defense to reinforce us. So for those who cannot apply this in their diet, it is needed to apply it in other parts of the life style, like exercise and the correct circadian rythm with light to begin with. Cycling heat and cold is also reinforcing us. But too much of what is an aggression will not reinforce us, we have to take care of what we can through self-feedback and self-respect. We also need to increase exercise, heat, cold, exposure to light, in a titrated way. All this is supportive to and supported by the ANS. We need safety forst and foremost, and then increase stimulation without hurting us. Coherence, homeostasis, regulation according to the surroundings. |
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| [+] food as medicine » My Experience Eating Nothing From Plants, aka Zero Carb (Go to) | Jay Angler | |
I have seen so many posts and videos of ex-vegans who said it ruined their health, that I would be very cautious. Scientific studies go into all directions anyway! I prefer to cross those informations with anthropology, and most people have been close to 50 - 50 % animal and plant food. When doing an elimination diet, it is possible to re-introduce for some people, when the digestive and immune system get better, thus also the nervous system allowing rest & digest. This is called HORMESIS. We need some challenge, but not too much. You can blow a candle, but the wind will reinforce a wild fire! So, it is had true that "what does not kill us reinforces us", because what does not kill us can damage and weaken us too! Then about eating greens with the meat... some people have success with high protein diet because it seems that they can have a liver problem that is overwhelmed by vitamine A. In that case liver and eggs will not be welcome in the diet.... and most dairies either! |
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| [+] food as medicine » My Experience Eating Nothing From Plants, aka Zero Carb (Go to) | Jay Angler | |
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This Canadian guy eating almost only beef suggests that the problem of other diets can come from too much vitamine A, and cured himself by depleting it!
So he does not eat liver nor eggs... https://ggenereux.blog/2016/04/22/ending-the-mystery-of-auto-immune/ |
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| [+] goats, sheep and llamas » Breeding virgin milker goats (Go to) | Xisca Nicolas | |
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My boyfriend has large hands but learned milking as a child, and he knows how to milk with "opened hands", which means you put the thumb up and do not use it for milking.
When you milk with closed hands, some people manage with 3 fingers, but I cannot because I cannot separate the last 2 without it being painful! So thanks, now I know that the difficulty was not linked at all to not having been bred before! This caraceristic of the size of the teats seems to not be possible to see on the young goat, thats a pity! The difference between sides: I have this in a sheep. And those critters are not so easy to milk as goats! They tend to pee so it is better to milk from the side. I have even milked "upside down" by keeping her between my legs! |
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| [+] goats, sheep and llamas » Breeding virgin milker goats (Go to) | Xisca Nicolas | |
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I have one as well....
I dont know if this is linked, but she is not as easy to milk as most goats. (though some goats with kids can also be difficult to milk too) Little place for the hands to milk and narrow milk canals are also genetic, so I wonder if it is independant or linked in her case. We'll see the difference, she is supposed to have kids this spring! The fact that the quantity is less can be a drawback too, according to the size of the familly and the many different things you want to do from milk! I would be glad to have too much and use is for the skin and more. |
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| [+] goats, sheep and llamas » What are sheep good for? (Go to) | Ben Waimata | |
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I added pics above and found some more...
About breeds, it is important to ask what they are for! So you will know what they are good for.... Here we have 2 breeds, short hair for meat, and long hair for milk. They really produce more and longer, so I would not say that all heirloom and old local breeds fit all 3 goals easily. Especially if you want milk, as sheep are not giving a lot, you need a milk breed. I cannot imagine that the milk breed will have a less good meat, but I might be wrong! Here is a pic to show that sheep are also good at climbing! (of course if they want lechugon... that translate into "big lettuce") You will also see the difference of hair. Short hair is meat breed, and the others are mixed. They actually have less hair than my pure breed ewe. I also have a milk ram, young, that is why I am infinitely thankful to learn how I must behave with him! I had a few things wrong! I will look for a pic of the milk sheep.... (Sorry for my habit to edit a lot... above and this one... fear of loosing and working on the architecture of the posts!) Added 2nd pic: 2 lowest are mixed, then 1 of milk breed, though it can hardly be seen that she is more hairy. I call her mancha because she has a darker spot on her back. 2 on top are meat breed, almost no hair. You can see them here while eating the vine and pruning the strawberry guava.... By the way, the nearest are coming 1st, they are leaders. The 2 short hair are always last! But the light coloured one is not that stupid, she looks at me when the others eat, and I give her something for her, appart! Double, because of course the chief quickly comes! So yes, they provide a lot of observation and fun! I have them for 3 months only. Though they were not given the right food (very poor), and were all the time hungry at the beginning, they had been given good socialisation and there is only one that I could not remove the collar (see pic!). They had a chain inside a green waterpipe with a snap hook, which proved dangerous, as it would lock itself in the fence. It was easy to train them with some corn! Their character is a very good "detail" to decide which to keep, or keep some of the next children! |
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| [+] goats, sheep and llamas » What are sheep good for? (Go to) | Ben Waimata | |
I love this kind of honesty! Respect...
Well see what they did "around my tree"! Around the branches they went! Hehe, maybe it was not yet mentionned how good sheep are ...at pruning trees! Loquat, orange tree, carob and vine! Not to mention that they also like strawberry guava, and as you can see, grass is not missing! I did not think they were going to scratch the bark of the loquat... At the moment I watch them often, to know what they eat or not. They do not seem to like olive leaves that much. |
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| [+] goats, sheep and llamas » What are sheep good for? (Go to) | Ben Waimata | |
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Sheep are good for cooking while reading permies!
And here is the plate.... Full mutton, and my "apple" is the "side dish" just at the back... Because of this:
So Raven, you are forgiven of being guilty of writing a too interesting article and of some burned fat in the saucepan! :))
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| [+] dogs and cats » Dog Body Language Quiz (How well can you read your dog?) (Go to) | Lucrecia Anderson | |
Only one dared post his results? I got them all 10 right, but I am a dog behaviorist hehe... I can add a few things about this, so called calming signals as started and named by the norwegian Turid Rugas.... They are not conscious behaviour as we use language, but correspond to the non verbal part and are expressions of the ANS, autonomic nervous system. Some call this the organic intelligence. These signs are first made to cope with a situation and manage it, and regulate ones own nervous system. It is only second to this that it obviously shows the behavior to others, and thus communicate our inner state. Humans also do this, but they have a stronger neocortex and too often overide their sensations and the corresponding signals. We should actually let our inner system regulate ourselves better, as animals do! When their language is understood, it prevent aggression. This is what the police dog in the video tried to do, until he could not stand it anymore. He wanted to not bite.... And it really has nothing to do with dominance, as this concept was a too quick conclusion from wolves observation, and that has been recognized as an error later on, but the believes still stick though. (not to say dominance and hierarchy do not exist, but they seem to not have the purpose that was 1st concluded) Dogs and also cats and others (a pig will shake if scratched at a place that does not agree with them!) use this body language many times during the day. You will understand it better if you separate the signs in 2 categories (you will not find this in books, this is from my personal work): - Stiffen and slow - Move You will see like waves of behavior, alternating stiffening and moving. It is like entering stress and resolving stress. There are also intermediate movements that are intents to solve the stress reaction. Example, a dog at ease will show almond shaped slightly blinking eyes with an opened mouth. The 1st sign of stress is shuting the mouth! It is where easier to notice the stiffening of muscles. Then the tongue can show out in an intent to manage the situation. You can see this often when taking pics, because do not understand what is a camera and what the human wants, and obviously they seem to want something.... Then you can see some more active licking... you find on the web peoples pics, like a dog in the arms, trying to escape and half of the face is hidden by the tongue! When they let go the dog, he can shake off the stress, and nothing to do with putting their hairs in place! Shaking is the best sign showing that the animal has reached resolution! I have seen dogs interactions with one dog intenting to make the other one comes out of the freeze response and engage and play.... and when the frozen dog starts to shake, the playful one shows before it is completed that he knows it is ok to approach! Yawning is more complicated because it can be an intent that does not work, and yawns are repeated. they are powerful, and we can even calm dogs by yawning. We all know it is communicative dont we? If they are more on the inspire, they are intents. When they are full with the expire, they reach resolution. Actually, when dogs stiffen and slow down, the stress activation is inhibited, to not act out. It is a form of freeze response, to not act out fight or flight behaviour. It happens when the nervous system cannot stand the situation while using the first calming system, which is called social engagement. This is why it so often happens in 2 situations: - Meeting unknown dogs, persons or animals, because they are not sure that the interaction is safe and supportive. - When a person, even well-known, insists in asking something the dog does not understand and becomes more tense (often because the human believes the dog understands and thinks the dog wants to dominate). This rupture the communication at a level you can call emotional, energetic, subtle etc. and the dog has to change nervous pathways in order to cope with the situation. So, ther is more sympathetic activation, but also enough social engagement on board, so that inhibiting defensive patterns is still there. When it is not, the dog can have a fight or flight response. This has been selected by breeding, and it also depends on the way puppies have spent their first weeks etc. A good example is the sudden biting from a dog that has just jumped up in the car. It will happen as a reflex if several persons are talking together and the dog is not part of the social engagement. If the people are having contact with social interaction with the dog, it is less likely to happen. But if the dog feels alone though with people, is tired from all the social interactions with those busy humans, the mix of feeling relieved by jumping in the car plus feeling blocked by all the friends saying bye bye to his owners can trigger a spontaneous reation that is too quick for the dog to be able to inhibit it! It is a defensive response using fight. Another defense is escaping, as it is all about making distance. either you go away or make go away, but what you want is a safe distance. All the called calming signals are mainly organic and wise ways to regulate ourselves when we cannot use the 2 Fs because we need to stay close. We cannot be at a distance that is safe enough, so the system organizes itself to stay close by interactions and also blocking the fight and flight. I have once managed to get close to a frightened dog that nobody could catch in the bush, by approaching like a crab, on the side, and by stopping at the first sign of stress, which in this case was merely saliva swallowing! This dogs reaction was not fight but escape, and I felt safe. I grabbed the collar only when the dog started to show interaction with me, which started by smelling me with a slight movement of the head. I did the same, showing the side of my jaw and cheek. Then touched the shoulder with mine etc etc and we came out of the bush! Contact and respecting the signs are what work best to go through all the stages that the ANS needs to surf the wave and settle back to baseline. |
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| [+] frugality » Spending more to save money (Go to) | Cécile Stelzer Johnson | |
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The thread has gone a bit beyond the specific theme of spending more now to save later, but a few links were very useful, about goods with lifetime guaranty!
I have always tried to go the expensive but long term way when I can....The main issue I have had with this idea is about - loosing - get stolen - time to mend and repair This is actually the main limits I have found to the system, and it might be a reason for many people to not do any effort for getting good goods, and be happy to buy cheap ones. Sometimes it is not about spending more, it has been said, the best word might be durability? I am looking for durability, for my purse but also for using less resources from the earth. One part is my responsability, but in this topic we focus on the responsibility of the manufacturer.... |
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| [+] plants » biological control for bindweed! (Go to) | Rez Zircon | |
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Maybe you dont have too many bindwinds but not enough goat and sheep?
and for humour.... not enough liking of pink color! |
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| [+] books » Gardening Without Work by Ruth Stout (Go to) | Julie Pastore | |
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Thanks for feedback and sharing! So basically you used 15 times more surface to cut than the one you covered?
So this system work thanks to the "other" system! Or else it is difficult... Here we cut by hand because of stones and slope, so it would be slower than what you did. When you did this, did you find it was "no work"? just joking.... well, "less weeding" method is right! Or "no dig". |
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| [+] butchery » When to slaughter/butcher to avoid flies outdoors? (Go to) | hunter miller | |
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Yes, I kill kuys early in the morning as it does not take day long! Even with day light, there is much less.
With a head light, they come into the eyes, so I agree also with having the light a bit further! |
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| [+] butchery » mongolian sheep stomach bag (Go to) | S Bengi | |
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I did not see this pic in the document, that is more about customs and mariage!
I have tried to go on kefir without washing, and it develops some mold like cheese and does not smell so nice... That is why I was wondering if they washed the leather bag. |
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| [+] butchery » mongolian sheep stomach bag (Go to) | S Bengi | |
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Hehe.... the problem is not about surviving, but about making the stomach survive for some time so we can use it again and again! :)
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| [+] butchery » mongolian sheep stomach bag (Go to) | S Bengi | |
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Kefir glass jars are so difficult to wash because of the fat that such a bag might be a better way! I wonder how they - if ever - washed it...
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| [+] butchery » mongolian sheep stomach bag (Go to) | S Bengi | |
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...Haggis?
About using the stomach I don't know, but here they make bags for food from young goats skin... (the ones that are killed at 1 week old for rennet) I have planned to learn how is the special cut and how they cure it. |
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| [+] butchery » How much TIME per animal according to species? (killing + butchering) Tips for saving time (Go to) | Xisca Nicolas | |
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I had the idea it might be useful to know this and to gather all about TIMING in one thread!
Also if people who counted their time while doing it could share, to get an idea of the differences according to experience. It can also be intersting to know how to save time with sharing our tips! I have killed several animals only of the kuy . guinea pig until now. When I kill a kuy I know I need 1 hour ahead of time including taking it and cleaning after. I also know that it can be much shorter if I am lucky with the hair plucking! In kuys, guts are also eaten, and the time to clean Vs the amount is not really interesting (well, try it fried and crispy, it looks like noodles!). The upper gut is just squeezed between fingers, and the colon part needs to be opened, and it breaks easily. Feeding pure fennel the day before makes the global smell much nicer, and you can also keep the whole stomach and cook it with its content, as it is fresh. The time to pluck the hairs Vs removing the skinIS very interesting! The weight of the skin compaired to the meat makes it worth it. Add the quality of broth and the special type of protein giving gelatine: glycine, and it makes you forget about skinning them! 40% skin - 60% meat. There will be a difference of time to remove hairs according to the period of the year, as they sometimes have short growing hair. It might be that curly hair goes away better and that the hot water goes more regularly under the hairs and until the skin. Males bite each other on the lower back if they are with females, and wounds make the job more difficult. The head is worth it but now I cut the ears away. I also save time by killing with the shock on the head, as I do not have to cut the throat nor let bleed. I do not know if the bleeding is very important for this animal. I do not mind the content of blood that indeed show in the organs. With these 2 animals, kuy and chicken, as we keep the skin on, time saving is on the hability to pluck, thus calculating the right temperature and the right time to let it in. Rubbing the skin sometimes goes faster than plucking for cuys, and let the skin clear. It can be nearly done in 5 mns! Burning is faster to remove a few hairs that are left. (hair plucking is a topic in itself so I will not go further into it here) I am interrested for goats, sheep and pig... Also specifically the time needed if we decide to eat stomachs and guts, thus cleaning, Vs giving it all to some omnivore animal like pig and hen. Thanks for adding more about what you know! |
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| [+] butchery » When to slaughter/butcher to avoid flies outdoors? (Go to) | hunter miller | |
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What's about the hour of the day? Are they as active with electric light?
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| [+] goats, sheep and llamas » how to kill and butcher a goat (Go to) | Nick Truscott | |
Interested in knowing more.... I know they remove as much blood as possible, but how is it done? - Do they use the knife directly or do they knock the animal first so that it is unconscious? - What is cut first with the knife? I have read in another thread about cutting the respiratory ways then arteries and finally the spinal cord.... And it was with 2 persons holding the goat on the ground, so it was not calm and it was not the best way to keep the blood. - How do they prevent the animal moving just at the beginning? Even if calm, any pain causes a reaction! Then I have other questions, like how far from other animals? (about not smelling) About the use of the knife: Is it cutting with the sharp blade, or starting with the sharp point so that it cuts better because it is thinner? I have also heard there is a weak point to know, allowing to cut the spinal cord and not the arteries first, but this I am not sure if I understood... A custom here is also to get the animal drunk.... As I do not process alcohol well, and maybe not even fruits, I wonder about the metabolising of it when eating the meat... |
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| [+] goats, sheep and llamas » Anthelmintic trees for goats, temperate climate. What works against worms (the parasites)? (Go to) | Kate Downham | |
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Yes we have mulberry! Mainly the black one, though I can also find the one used for silk, the white mulberry.... Are both of them good?
And yes we usually feed grape leaves to animals, I also give it to guinea pigs in summer. (I dont mind the fruits, as lizards eat all...) Our soil is deficient in boron as far as I know. It is volcanic. About legumes, we have tedera - bitumina bituminosa - that they like and is studied as a medicine, even cancer. No idea if it has an antihelmentic effect... |
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| [+] goats, sheep and llamas » Anthelmintic trees for goats, temperate climate. What works against worms (the parasites)? (Go to) | Kate Downham | |
Do they eat tobacco voluntarily?? |
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| [+] goats, sheep and llamas » Anthelmintic trees for goats, temperate climate. What works against worms (the parasites)? (Go to) | Kate Downham | |
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I was wondering if Kate Downham could offer us some tips....
If the list above is for cold areas, well I am subtropical, so we do not even have the cold to kill pests! I have taken goats and sheep recently, and they are skinny and I found a few "white stuff" that look like tenia though it was not flat.... Maybe if they are really infested I should give some "chemical2 for a start? I don't know how bad are those products, maybe not that much? |
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| [+] soil » Can we actually make soil the way mother nature does? (Go to) | Jon Stika | |
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Nicole please do not plug in the cement mixer!
Haha, you made it seem more accessible.... how to get a rock crusher, big investment if we want to make a garden and do not work professionally with it all the time! Interestingly, as I live in a sloppy place with a lot of rock.... and some of this rock is not basalt, it can be crushed with a catterpillar... and my goal is to make soil with a catterpillar at my place, and crush as much as I can of the soil and mix this with organic matter, which will include burried trunks as low as I can. The thinner on top. Of course this will not let me with sand-size particles! Unless somebody gives me more practical solutions to do it... I have the idea I can ask what other machines the guy who will do the catterpillar job has, just in case, because anyway, I know that here in the island, they MAKE SAND! And also mix for concrete. But the machines are HUGE! Also I would make noise and the neighbours will complain, and digging and cruching the soil this way is not authorized, I'd bet! I think I can do close to an acre. |
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| [+] books » Gardening Without Work by Ruth Stout (Go to) | Julie Pastore | |
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If I want to use this method and not work after 11 am, I have to figure out how to solve a few ..."difficulties"!
- I cannot find hay, maybe straw imported from mainland Spain... (not organic, so full of round up?) - Whatever natural hay we still have (wild oats grow in winter) goes to the animals. So, unless you rely on a truck and live in a place with hay ...who can answer THIS question: "What is the surface of land you need, planted with grass, for what surface of garden you grow?" or put it this way: "Out of your garden, what % do you have to dedicate to mulch production?" |
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| [+] plants » Can kiwi and schisandra handle zero chill hours? (Go to) | Dennis Bangham | |
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My lowest is +8ºc and I would like to grow some kiwi, if somebody knows which can grow in such conditions. Maybe the yellow one with less hairs? The north of the island is more fresh, and some people grow kiwi, still with only positive temps.
How "high" can be a "chill hour" for kiwi? Schisandra grows in the island, but for me this is a tree! I have to check the exact name... |
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