Not apples but citrus!
I was told it was penicillium... I have still not checked...
I was said constipation is from casein that is not absorbed. But I also have the personal ideas that there are some "elements" that act on the nervous system, because a lot of people are helped by milk for going to sleep! So if it slows us...
Then of course, the body can also have the reverse reaction, lol 2 liters of raw goat milk!!!
When reading Aaron, I thought it might help to have some explanation about what is addictive in general....
The body has to cycle a lot of things, same as in circadian rythms. When we do not, some receptors in the body just "saturate" and lower their sensitivity! Nicotine goes to acethylcholine receptors. So we get a nice feeling at the beginning, but saturate the receptors and never reset them. So after a while, not only we do not get any good feeling from smoking, but we also need the smoking to just be at our old baseline!
Baseline is an important word. We need to cycle activity and rest in waves. We need to appreciate what is not intense but mundane. We need to be in contact with our ups and down, and we have limit to the intensity we can hold. When stop smoling as just mentionned above several times about having to sustain strong stress and sensations of body activation, before the body can regulate this alone, by changing the receptors numbers and their sensitivity.
Socially and individualy, smoking is also a pause, and even a moment of connexion. So it is wise to find another ritual to do.
The general path to addictions is also when feeling something very good with very little effort! You first smoke and feel some relaxation quick and it happens alone! Our pathways of up and down are natural, but are often stuck: we are either anxious = too active inside, or depressed = not enough active inside. The norm is to alternate fluently, and this needs "mammal connexion". Ideally we should get this in society and with other humans, providing each other with regulation. When we do not have enough of this, we still need this regulation, and we always find some tricks to help this happen. We are first regulated by our parents, and then we learn to do it alone, though never totally alone either.
If adults are not enough available, or especially nowadays do not have TIME, then it disregulate our inner clock! This clock needs its time to be able to accelerate little by little. It is the same as when you learn a task and first do it unperfectly and slow, then you reach good and slow, and then good and faster... Then is also important HOW LONG we can sustain activity before rest. If we are asked to over-ride our resting periods, then we disrupt our rythm, creating the temptation to find some resource somewhere. There are addictions to what helps to wake up and to what helps to slow down, or to both. Action and rest are inner rythms that we need to connect to again.
They are like pendulations, but the activation phase is faster, and the resting phase is slower. A tree starts to move with the wind blowing, but does not stop right away this movement when the wind stops!
I am also working on this, and it is not woo-woo, it is biological, physiological. That is why it is linked to the soma, the perception of the body from inside and outside. This biological electricity is simply perceived by our antenna, and it is not magical, it is just our nervous system! Nerves are our electrical wiring, and it is much more than the brain and not controlled only by the brain. The main nerve that does this is the vagus nerve, but it is not the only one.
I am presently working on a system to explain this so that scientific people as well as people "who just feel", can get it and use it and develop it. We should have done this since babies, but our humanity and disconnection from nature by looking at some life facilities - without noticing the drawbacks in time - have made us go astray.
So I am also working on progressive exercices so that it can be experimented through the part of us that is not mental, though our mental part cannot be rejected because it equally comes from our biology. Our head is still in our body! At mental level, we know that the vagus nerve is a para-sympathetic nerve, thus part of the autonomic nervous system, that regulates the "waves" of up and down that happen in our body and in nature, like circadian rythms, and many more rythms!
About the heart beats: there is a sympathetic part and a parasympathetic part, thus a much faster rythm than day and night, but based on the same yin and yang principle! And each yin and yang part contains a point of the other, to tell that each part is not going to last but cycle, and that the seed one one is always in the other....
What happens in cities with over-whelming stimulation? Our cycles become less fluid and even stuck. We indeed get joy in nature, and resource, but most of us cannot stand to be all the time in nature because we have not learned this necessary presence. Presence has been replaced by hyper-vigilence. Prensence means both: you relax and enjoy, but you can still react to danger, without being alert all the time, because you just see it. Most of us who can enjoy nature would die when living in it full time!
The jungle is an obvious example, but where I live, some people have died while "enjoying nature": they were swept by a wave or received a stone on the head or have fallen from rocks. Apart from accidents, it is just not easy to walk without a path or fish or ...you-name-it!
Andres, this is a nice exercise! I use it too and I extend it:
- what climate do you like best?
As a child I found out it was continental, because I liked to feel the stength of cycles and the change.
- what breed of dog do you like best?
I liked the primitive dogs and their link to impulse and their social and communication skills. I also like te cooperation skill of sled dogs, the openess and curiosity of samoyeds to know new persons...
- What animal do you like is more open. I like squirrels for their memory and their capacity to care for the future by making reserves. And I like that what they loose and do not remember serves a purpose too!
I have learned to express it differently, to not let myself contaminate by hard feelings, in order to be able to contaminate who feels bad with my pleasant feelings! And this is a big reward when you get a sad person laugh and have sparks in the eyes! This also lift me up and is thus very rewarding after the initial effort.
hahaha, it is like reversed empathy! Infect the world with good things... does it ring a bell to permies people? :)
When I look at some past "science" and how we considere it now, I see our "nowaday science" and how it will be considered later....
We know so much close to nothing from this mental level that wisdom is indeed much better for happiness. Practical knowledge to live maybe now, but surely here. You could not moove native people without a catastrophe for them, and we have been turned into commodities that can be moved, splitting the social system of connection and safety.
Dave Burton wrote:I'm not sure if this bothers other people, it's probably just because sound is more visceral to me...
Asides from people in cities, the sounds and smells of cars really make me repulsed.
On the flip side, Nature puts me at peace, because I find the sounds and smells to be so pleasing. I appreciate the chirping of birds. I appreciate the lack of people- their sounds and smells. I appreciate the fresh air and how clean it smells. I appreciate the emptiness of some areas- how little smell of sound there is. I appreciate the tiny little rustling of squirrels and chipmunks. I appreciate the smell of blooming flowers. I appreciate the smell of soil.
I am also bothered by detergents and perfumes, but not by my blooming orange trees!
I also hate car fumes and permanent tirering sounds.
It is just self-protection for me...
Those who stand it have to block something inside themselves I guess!
Nature puts us at peace, and we have to find a way to both live and regenarate there, instead of separating the two!
Dave Burton wrote:As a city-dweller, I barely cope. It feels so weird for me, and I feel fight or flight instinct a lot being in urban environments. A lot of the times, in cities and high-population areas, my first instinctual feelings when someone I don't know approaches me are along the lines of, "who the fuck are you? why do you want to talk to me? Are you a threat?"
I was downtown and couldn't help but be overwhelmed by so many people meandering throughout the sidewalk, the endless stretches of concrete jungles and the constant rumble of cars.
This is exactly what I have noticed with animals too. Thinking about our pets like dogs we take for walks: we ask them to behave with outsiders as if they already knew each other!
The real problem of humans about feeling safe or not, is also to be asked to be with unknown people as if we all knew each other. It indeed triggers fight & flight responses. By the way, be happy if you can still handle fight & flight and feel it, because this is indeed the natural response. Those who might be happy to not feel this can be using the third F which is freeze. This is when you put yourself in a bubble to create an artificial distance. This is fine too but more taxing on the nervous system (in terms of energy expenditure) if it happens often or lasts. Then it can become more difficult to be socially present to others, or we can feel it takes time, as tired muscles taking time to relax.
We are actually absolutely made for social engagement, but in a safe way, which means with not too many people and with familiar people. This is obvious with children and even more with young ones, just look at their spontaneous reactions. Even if we reinforce our capacity for more intensity, adults are asked to over-ride their natural impulses much too often.
So indeed nature relaxes us because of the difference. Actually, when living in nature, the fight and flight and freeze responses are also there and come back. Those who would like to live in nature but don't, stay in cities because it has been until now the only place where they could work and live. There is a type of safety in cities, or else who would stay there?
I agree that being in nature "feels right" and that cities are places where we should feel like fish outside the water. Except that we do not die, so the paradox is that we would more likely die if we were "fished out" of our modern world now!
As a nature dweller, I notice, sadly, that what does not feel right in nature are ....people.
When will we realize that if it takes time to study what we do at school or at university, all this time was not employed for learning what we should or should have, in order to not only feel well in nature, but that nature feel well with us?
We have to do something for children, so that they want to live in nature and chose the right jobs and studies to be able to reach this goal! At least they need to be sent to nature during all their holidays, or else they do not learn the right body movements and orienting capacities, to mention a few. I proposed this for years and it was wonderful...
Hugo Morvan wrote:As a human species we dwelled in caves for a long time, deprived of the sounds of birds, the rustling of leaves, the humming of insects, the warm feeling of the sun on our face, the cooling of a breeze.
When you're outside unexpected things happen all the time, you've got to be alert on terrain you don't know, blood is flowing, heart is pumping, you breath, you look, you wonder, you admire, you see change, you accept, you embrace the fact we are what we are, small vulnerable beings in a big promising and dangerous world, thankful to be alive.
Hi Hugo, I used to live in Burgundy and now I live in a cave, and you should try, so that you know that they are open to the outside, full of insects, and that sounds come in! And they are full of forms that "modern caves" do not have!
You are right about being stimulated outside, but you have also an imaginary view that I used to have about "alert on terrain you don't know", because this is OUR modern view when we go into nature! Actually, our ancesters knew their ground as well as we know our town! lol no... much better!
Yes the world is dangerous, but our ancesters in nature knew much better than us where the danger was coming from, this is also a big part for why we are stressed: we now much less than them where the danger can come from. They grew up with people they knew, and they were together to protect each other against animals we have all killed for our security, and in the end man is a wolf for man!
"Alert" in those days did not mean what we call it now. We are alert at night when coming back home and we know we should have come back earlier. This is not even "alert", we have many of us become "Hyper-vigilant".
I can tell for having experienced it, that when we are fully present, we notice everything, and we are not in alert, because we trust that our body is wise and is going to react when and if needed. We just lack the practise....
Jay Angler wrote:I think that when I'm outside, I get more sensory input.
lol we just said the same, but I was lacking this english words! I have added them....
Thanks for being short and concise.
Indeed it needs more effort to do it inside! We still can use our senses more and especially more often.
And there are a lot of people who do not use their senses enough outside, even when they think they do. I live in nature near a touristic path. People are looking around and apreciating the beauty, but they miss half of what is to be seen. Sometimes they refer more to the book for chosing a path and dont even see the red and white GR 130 painted indications along the way, and end up at my place because they also did not see the red and white cross.... Then they complain I should put a sign saying "private"!!! And their way of walking damage paths in some places...
Andres Edwards wrote:Fractals are quite amazing! I've always enjoyed books that show the patterns in nature (Patterns in Nature by Philip Ball and On Growth and Form by D'Arcy Wentworth Thompson.
I want to give everyone a heads up that I will be traveling all day tomorrow and off-line. I'm looking forward to resuming our conversation on Thursday.
Some are very obvious as the aeaonium I posted in another thread, or the romanesco....
But in nature we can learn to see ALL of them, even when more discreet!
Actually I am also writing a book about how to use nature in connexion to our daily life for self-regulation + act for nature and life without being in eco-anxiety, oeverwhelm and powerlessness! Part of it will be based on how we use our nervous system compared to animals, so that we can use it properly too.
Same as what indicates your title and same as the line of this forum, it will not be about being angry at bad guys and not about focussing on what's wrong...
Then there is another different point: the power of ORIENTING through sensory input to what is beautiful, pleasurable, because actually we are stressed inside, in the meaning of inside US. When we focus outside with our sense, we feed ourselves with the here and now.
We need to be mindful of the outside before accessing fluently our mindfulness.
Have you been lost in you thoughts, and then suddenly coming back to here and suddenly notice that birds were singing? This is what is called orienting at the level of our body awareness, to be located and in contact with the outside of our body. I have noticed that even if I am often more present than many people, I am still far from the level of people who were fully brought up in nature. We just do not know up to what point we have not learned what we are supposed to, if we would go on like babies do in their environment. Even lambs less than one week old walk better than us!
We need to remember to lift our head from our job and connect to the environment. We should not relax: it should happen on its own, and we can just trigger it happens by looking around and notice what spontaneously attracts our eyes. Then we can notice the effect on our body, so that the effect can even deepen more...
There is sensation and perception, inside and outside.
We just focus more than half of the time to the inside of us, through sensations, thoughts and emotions.
It is so much easier to use our senses in nature! Even when birds sing each for its own sake, it is harmonious. All colors match. No part of nature needs to spend time matching its colors when dressing up!
Touch feel and taste when safe...
Let's do this more and en-joy!
I also feel I am with friends, as I recognize all plants (if not by its name, I mean I KNOW them = when I see it small I know how it looks like later or in flower. I also know if it had water or drough etc etc). When I hear a bird, I can get its inner image in me. Most smells are also familiar.
I also learned stars, because I wanted to be oriented in its "compass meaning", and also be familiar with this big part of nature, and it is beautiful! We just do not know up to what point who have not learned. imagine all the time we spent at school, not-learning what we should have! It is never to late, we can learn all our life. Soem people say they do not need this learning, but that would be like not knowing the name of the people around you and not knowing their tastes! We are beings of relationship and social engagement, and we need to focus out of us through our senses.
I have been living in nature for a very long time.
I also have internet, for connexion ... to humans!
I have actually even made a group about what animals and nature bring to us! Somatic behavior examples: What can we learn from animals & nature? https://www.facebook.com/groups/969530926557636/ It seems that the topic is still strange and impenetrable as the jungle for most people!
The main point for me is that nature shows life with all the fractals forms we can see in plants. Life is the fractal of the universe!
Jack Hall wrote:I may be missing something in your post but I have had homemade yogurt all my life and have never seen it turn pink. I would be interested to know what kind it is?
I was told it is from penicillium and would love to know more myself!
It was not all pink, some hues in some places, the sort of color that you can get with rocou, like some color you find on the crust of some cheese, like munster cheese. I will have to see if I can get enough of this and take a pic before stiring it, as then the color is almost invisible.
Edit: I will visit this neighbour that makes this goat cheese...
Homogenisation destroys the integrity of the fat globules
Do you have any idea of the result of separating the fat from the milk, with the tool that does it by centrifugation? Will it affect the integrity of the fat globules too?
I insist to use my own raw milk though I can feel that it is not super ok for me (constipating thus I think it is from the casein)
I was thinking to buy such tool, as the fat is ok for me, and then make cheese, not for the cheese but for the whey (casein-free or nearly)
I have also made some yogurt. It tastes good but not many people would drink it and feel safe, because it turns nearly pink.... and this does not seem to be constipating that much.
I have seen this orange/pink color before in the cloth used to filter cheese, and they told me it was penicilium. I think it got there because I have a lot of citrus whose peel turns blue, and they told me that it then turns a sort of orange color... and anyway some people use citrus mold to make goat cheese!
Pati Let wrote:Has anyone tried low carb beer while on diet? I have seen here at website that taco bell is doing low carb beers and I was wondering does that will not make me sick if I occasionally have low carb beer with meal?
If you have no problem with gluten why not....
And no problem with the fungi to make beer.... People allergic to molds should probably take care about this possibility.
thomas rubino wrote:Hi Xisca;
Still many different breeds out there.
Normally I raise a mixed breed. Durok, Hereford, Yorkshire.
Last year we had straight Yorkshire.
Different yes... but I can guess at least "yorkshire" is not local from Montana! ;)
Do you know about a breed in your place that is known as "local" for ..."a long time"?
(as the aborigines here had goats but no pig, even our long time local pig is "recently local", but I am all for "invasion", as is the case for the prickly pear, almond and chestnut here! Who can eat only local!?! Goats maybe...)
I was wondering if there are many different breeds of pig left... I thought that there was more or less the "big pink" one that had taken over... Mainly for size reasons. Other reasons?
So here in the canaries, we can find the "white pig" and the "black pig", the local one. It is smaller. I don't know why many people still choose to get this one, maybe just because they still want to keep something local... And no breed here has a name, at least commonly used.
Walter Jeffries wrote:The mycotoxins can kill small pigs and cause miscarriages + dead piglets in gestating sows.
Ah, okay, so it's fine for larger pigs but can upset the smaller ones?
I wouldn't say "fine" but rather "less bad" instead. It can reduce growth rates in sufficient quantities.
VERY important topic! I am glad you made this answer! Only ruminants are less affected by fungi.
Molds can also lower the quality of the meat for US to EAT, or even make it toxic. The difference between "less bad" and "deadly" is the quantity. In all cases, it gives a lot of work to the liver and the lymphatic system, and some mycotoxins will be in the meat. Some people are genetically less apt than others to clear mycotoxins, thus the issue of "toxic balck molds" in buildings that can affect some people more than others.
Molds in food is definitely an issue, and this is why people from the wet tropics invented the WOK for cooking! As long as they stll use coconut oil, it helps sterilize the affected food even before the molds get visible. And mycotoxins are the worse, they are invisible. By the way, alcohol is the MYCOTOXIN produced by the fungi used in fermenting. Not all mycotoxins have the same toxicity. Some can even be favoring cancer.
I more and more considere that molds are an under-stated threat for all living beings, plants or animals. And the use of fungicides can lead in the future to the same type of problems as antibiotics did.
As far as I have read, yes molds on food are a problem for pigs or hens as for us. Only ruminants are better equiped to neutralize molds.
I increasingly see molds as something we have to be careful about, for our health, our animals' and plants. Fungicides have done their harm by making fungi more adaptable
= same as the antibiotics story.
They like almond-tree leaves exactly as much as goats do. And they can jump too... They are pretty good climbers actually, but still less than goats, so they are easier to keep.
This is the leader, followed by the young ram (1 year old).
I live clearly in a traditional goat place. It just happens that I discovered they are more picky on food than sheep, and escape more easily.
So at the moment my boyfriend has 2 goats, and I have the sheep (who have a better life with no goat anymore around!).
Now I have to choose what I want, as I have 2 breeds, and 1 male from the dairy type.
- short hair for only meat?
- long hair that give milk and wool? I still did not sort out if they give less meat or what!
- I do not have much land, so should I suppress any ram? (he was hand raised and I can see I now need eyes in my back...)
I guess I cn find one when needed, though they are less common then goats.
- My goal is meat first, and if more easy, I would turn to having just one cow and produce one calf... Beef is my favorite meat and sheep is second.
At the moment, they no more escape with very little fencing, thanks to cliffs. But I had kept a patch "for later" and they went through the fencing... So unfortunately, they have learnt something I did not want them to learn!
I aso thought that sheep loved lawn-mowing first, but they seem to like a great variety of plants, and went to anything but grass first! At this place they eat a big leaved endemic (not endangered!) and prickly pears (tunera)
. The almond leaves are not yet grown (december).
You can also appreciate the difference in wool length, and why I will not have to trim the hooves.
Now it's time to cure it. I packed it in fine Kosher salt, and will leave it in the jar for 6 months or longer. The book doesn't say what temperature to store this at, so it's going in the back of the fridge. If I had a cellar, I would probably keep it there instead.
After the stomach has cured, it will be time to dry it. Once it's dry, I can make cheese from it.
I asked how they do it in the Canaries, with their strong tradition for making goat cheese.
They put salt and hang it directly for drying.
You have to tighten the 2 ends well with some thread (some people knew how to do a knot with both ends...)
You need to make cheese with previous year rennet, because it takes some time to dry.
Then you open and put the dry stuff in a blendder with just enough water to cover. Bzzzzzzzzz. Keep the liquid refrigerated for the next months. That can be done by hand too, and that can be done each time you want to make cheese too.
Cheese is not made from the stomach but from the dry milk inside. So you need a lamb or goatling, in general between 9 and 12 days old. They must have eaten milk between 10 mns and 1 hour before killing. They must not have eaten grass. If they have, it is still posible to make rennet until they are about 1 month old. You have to let them in a place where they have no access to grass and let them drink milk only during one day.
You are brave enough to stand all winter without becoming a tourist! That is fine to be focussed on one project....
Living myself in an island with mild winters (I can grow bananas) and in a "town" where it can also snow up there.... in the end we are also brave to live here in winter, because we - at least I - do not heat (I by far prefer carbon in the soil...)!
And believe me, cold is about adaptation, and you loose some adaptation when you live in an ever-spring!
paul wheaton wrote:Well, I think it is too close to january to try anything now. But I very much like the idea of shooting for something in january of 2017. right now would be a great time to do the planning and get a date set.
Some humans are thinking in a strange way... about getting bug-free gardens.... whether organic or not, we need more bugs! People had hens and pigs for all that was not "perfect". The more we want to eat ALL the plants ourselves, the more job it takes to defend them. The less we want to eat animals products, the worse it will be for animals, because we have to get rid of the concurrence. Insects and even mice or rats or pigeons etc, are either ennemies or allies, according to the kind of guilds we do.
So for example at the moment I feed some oranges.... both hens and cuys eat them. So all the small ones, bugged ones etc. (The only oranges that come out of here are when people promise to bring back the skins, that are for the orange trees themselves.)
And... here is my main source of proteins for hens! RATS!
Cats and poison are useless for different reasons.... Trap and drown rats, and you get "free" protein! As they mostly have eaten in your garden, you know they are healthy and nutritious. Of course you can eat them, but it is less work and more "in the food chain" to just give them to hens. I just cook them whole, so that hens have an easier job before the flies. or else they will eat the bugs anyway.
I also sprout organic barley. Cuys will also eat part of it.
Katerina Luniova wrote:SlavicBeauty cream separator will work with sheep milk as well.
Both presentations of those models are obviously profesional = advertizing.
Of course they ALL work with any milk...
Looking at them on internet... we have to choose between plastic and aluminium..... I find none of them to be great...
I like manual tools, but they seem more expensive, and also is needed 200ml of industrial oil in it to make it run! I have no idea if a natural oil can be used instead.... It is difficult to find all our criterii to be met!
r ranson wrote:The stomach, once cured will be inflated with air, and hung to dry. Once dry it should keep at room temperature (so about 20 degrees C) or less for several years. At least that's according to what I've read. To prepare the rennet we break off a bit of stomach, then do something with it in liquid to reactivate the enzymes, then the liquid is added to the milk. I'll know more in about 6 months.
How did it go? I think 2 days old was a bit too young, but I take the opportunity to check out.
Stomach rennet is still done here, but it has become difficult. Imagine... people have to take the baby more than 1 hour drive to the only slaughter house. Then they need to make analyse the stomach, make rennet and come back for analysis! Professionals will often sacrifice the youngs at birth, because they cannot afford to loose the milk (compared to the low price they will get to sell the meat). So they buy rennet....
So only non professionals still do it at home. I don't know how long they keep it in salt here, and will ask. Then they hang the stomach dry.
BUT, this is not the stomach that is used: it is the inside, the dry curd. So the baby needs to have drunk milk before killing it.
The difficulty is also to change the dosage with each batch. The canarian cheese is made with a LOT of rennet, so that it is done in a few hours. The whey was used to wash the material in the days when it was done in the mountain and with no water.
Milk goat is still common enough to find in season, usually before christmas. They weight like 2-3 kgs, as they need to be killed at 10-14 days, before they eat grass.
I do not know what happens if there is some grass in the stomach and if it is of absolute no use for rennet...
thomas rubino wrote:Xisca; Your milk today, did it come from a sheep ? Sheep milk should be A-2 A-2. For a lot of folks the A-1 A-1 milk commonly sold as raw milk will give them a reaction. A-2 milk generally does not.
Yep sure! hehe I milk her myself!
And when I buy dairy, it is only from local goat. (The island does not produce cow milk, just some meat)
Reactions can come from A1, ok, but also lactose (I am on carnivore diet as Matt Walker here who gave me the idea, so maybe?) and even less known: CASEIN.
I concluded this when I realized dairies were constipating, except whey. And whey has lactose but no casein (it is all in the cheese)
I am going to insist in order to be sure....
I am foraging the forum.... to find how to separate the cream (sheep milk is fat), make butter, what to buy....
And then I also want to make cheese, well, just to remove the casein and drink the whey!
And if lactose is the problem, then I will culture the whey!
(I will have to see what to do with the non fatty cheese... maybe for the hens? )
Becky Lynn wrote:Raw milk has changed my life from severe chronic sinus infections and allergies to relief! I have been drinking raw milk for eight years. All of our family is healthy, no broken bones, or severe injuries in young men in contact sports. See the Organic Pastures website for more information: http://organicpastures.com/ Mark McAfee is a wonderful resource about raw milk.
How strange! it seems not to do it for me!
I finally have my own ewe milk. I usually do not consume milk. I have not drunk a lot, but I have a headache today after drinking a bit of my fresh milk. The typical forehead sinus ache.... i never have this sort of pain, so it seems to come from the milk. And I can still feel some weight in my stomach...
Every body talks about lactose.... but the main problem can be CASEIN!
I am fine with butter, and seem ok with whey too.... so... casein looks like the culprit.
Nobody has a global bad experience with milk, however raw or not?
Katy Whitby-last wrote:We drink raw milk as we have our own goats but for making yoghurt I do heat it so that I can keep the yoghurt culture going and reuse it. Does this mean that my yoghurt will have the detrimental effects listed above for pasteurised milk?
You did not say how much you heat it.... If at body temp, no problem of course for sure. If higher... I don't know!