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Joined: Dec 30, 2010
Posts: 2
Just starting the discussion...
T. Joy


Joined: Feb 03, 2011
Posts: 438
We're in Windsor now (kids and I) but planning a little tour around ourselves this winter. Hoping to land on Manitoulin next year for the 6 month course there, an entire growing season in which to learn seems about right.
                                


Joined: Jan 12, 2011
Posts: 50
Hi Dianne,i'm in the east end of Toronto(leslieville) and have also wwoofed in New Zealand.I have a small lot in the GreyBruce area where I plan to build a natural house.So far I have built a cob oven,cob mori,started a bush bath,build stone benches,install bat houses and some tree planting.I wil be hosting wwoofers this year with the projects being a cordwood sauna,finishing bushbath and other things.

Glen
Willow Aelfwine


Joined: Feb 25, 2011
Posts: 10
Location: Keirsteadville, New Brunswick
Hi all. I currently live in Guelph after living in California for a zillion years. I did some studying with Penny Livingston-Stark and James Stark at the Permaculture Institute of Northern California as well as cobbing with Ianto Evans and Linda Smiley. I had to start all over again 3 years ago with nothing but my family and what I could fit into my jeep (and that was myself and 4 teenagers) with the worldly possessions we could not part with. We landed in Guelph, Ontario and have worked hard at carving out an existence, but our collective dream is to buy land and earthship it, grow our foods and live off grid. Uphill work and it's one day at a time here but we see the beginnings of daylight!

And speaking of Manitoulin Island, I hear there is a cobbing workshop there at the Natural Building Institute of Ontario (on my list of things to get to)....wonder how close they are to the permaculture course??

Peace
Willow



“Wow, look at the grass stains on my skin. I say, if you knees aren’t green by the end of the day, you ought to seriously re-examine your life.”
- Calvin and Hobbes
T. Joy


Joined: Feb 03, 2011
Posts: 438
I don't know but thanks for the tip, I'll check it out!
If you want more moms and kids (or mom and kids) filling out your dream give me a shout! If I can find it here I'll stay instead of hiking us all out to BC, sure would make my folks happy to have us hang around Ontario.

I'm more thinking Wolfati than earthship myself, looks like you could put up a house in a couple days for not a lot of money. They've been working on that Canadian earthship home near Kamloops for YEARS now and still aren't done! Whew, lotta work that.

ETA looked at the site, I have seen that before but it's mighty expensive and I don't think it's kid friendly either. My 2 will be 10 and 4 this summer, gotta keep 'em close! Ah well, we'll find our place to learn.
Willow Aelfwine


Joined: Feb 25, 2011
Posts: 10
Location: Keirsteadville, New Brunswick
We've thought about moving out to BC to a wee collective there but I'm originally from Ontario and I'm back home to stay. I am a single mom with a 24 year old son-in-law, a 21 year old daughter (they have a 3 year old and a 1 year old) and I also have a 20 year old son and a 11 year old son. And we all live together 'cept my 20 year old son is making plans to move out. He's a city boy and, while he says he'll come out to visit us as we live off grid, he says it's not for him. He's a sous chef and has plans to globe trot. All my other kidlets are farm rats and can't wait to live off grid!

I am not familiar with Wolfati and didn't pull much up from google....can you point me in a direction to learn more? Thanks

I want to build an earthship but also a cob house and I want to try my hand at a strawbale home and a sandbag home. Natural building is of intense interest to me. I've built a few cob homes and ovens for others (workshops) but never for myself. Ontario seems to be a good place to experiment with natural buildings...
T. Joy


Joined: Feb 03, 2011
Posts: 438
Me too with the building. Cob is just the most beautiful thing Ever I think. But others are more energy efficient and faster to put up.

And sorry for the misspell! Wofati. There is great info here. I like the post-apocolyptic hidden aspect of it. Not that I'm that paranoid, just, you know, in case 
http://www.permies.com/permaculture-forums/5.0

The alternative energy thread here is so great.
http://www.permies.com/permaculture-forums/10.0

There is a great natural building course at Sanford Flemming with Chris Magwood in Peterborough and Haliburton. I looked into it but again, expensive. Hard to do on my own with 2 kids. We got an invite to a permaculture place in Hawaii though, that would be so great to check out. Have to see if I can afford it though, I want to take some classes etc this summer and it all costs in tuition, transportation, etc. Gotta take care with my savings, learn as much as possible.
The big problem is buying land and then paying taxes and for permits for the stuff you want to do on it. Seems so difficult to even imagine but what do I know? There must be a way.
Cory Arsenault


Joined: Mar 03, 2011
Posts: 55
Location: Ottawa, Canada
    
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Ottawa reporting for duty!

Not too much permaculture stuff in eastern Ontario...
Travis Philp
volunteer

Joined: Dec 28, 2009
Posts: 951
Location: ZONE 5a Lindsay Ontario Canada
    
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Hello everyone. I'm part of a permaculture farm in the Kawartha Lakes region of central ontario called Greenshire. It's only our second growing season but things are really starting to take off.


http://www.greenshireecofarms.com
Zone 5a in Central Ontario, Canada
Jeff Hodgins


Joined: Mar 29, 2011
Posts: 140
Greetings from St. Catharines and else where.
Leif Kravis


Joined: Oct 03, 2010
Posts: 78
Location: Toronto Canada
Hi From Toronto, living West end, working leslieville
Nathalie Poulin


Joined: Feb 07, 2011
Posts: 60
I'm in Ottawa as well and I just finished an introduction to Permaculture class. I'll be taking the full course later in the fall.
Check out the Permaculture Institute of Eastern Ontario.
There is some great stuff starting up in Ottawa and it's exciting!

http://eonpermaculture.ca/content/ecological-design-gardening-intro-permaculture
                            


Joined: May 18, 2011
Posts: 1
hello out there fellow ontarians?, I've been living here in connecticut for the past 5 years, but will be returning home (Clayton, ontario, just 50k west of ottawa) I build straw bale enclosed, timberframed structures, also have solar (pv/hot water business) and would love to meet and share ideas/resources with folks back home when I return this summer I am looking forward to learning more about permaculture and possibly sharing some of my knowledge as well I have extensive library on renewables, green building, and solar greenhouse design & construction..........geopolitics along the lines of Zeitgeist Movement, hope to make some new friends/contacts back in ontario!
Ed Johnson


Joined: Jan 10, 2011
Posts: 76
Location: Durham region - Ontario, Canada - Zone 5
Durham region.

Check out http://www.greenbarnnursery.ca/ its Quebec, which is a bit far, but they look like they are on the right track
Amber Westfall


Joined: May 26, 2011
Posts: 13
Location: Ottawa
    
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Hello from Ottawa. 


"Forgive me if I never visit. I am from the fields, you know, and while quite at home with dandelion, make a sorry figure for the drawing room" ~Emily Dickinson
Nathalie Poulin


Joined: Feb 07, 2011
Posts: 60
Hey Amber! It's Nathalie (the one with the kids!) I really enjoyed your nature walk!
Amber Westfall


Joined: May 26, 2011
Posts: 13
Location: Ottawa
    
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Yay!!  Hi Nathalie!  Thanks so much for pointing out this forum.  I've been enjoying the content and finally signed up yesterday.  The walk was fun.  Because there were so many people I've decided to run a 3 hour workshop in June.    Nice to see you here.
                                


Joined: May 27, 2011
Posts: 3
Location: Sault ste. marie
Hey Everyone,
  Algoma district here...before I get to far into this I was looking at alternative housing didn't even know what permaculture was until I did . Not that I was against alternative lifestyles...i just didn't recognize it as one. Lived it most of my life. Long story and had a hard life.
Now apparently what I've been taught(at least some of it) can be had in a degree.Go figure. Not familier with some but had relatives from way back that immigrated from Scotland and had been doing alot of the gardening stuff most of our lives.Grannie when she moved into her apartment had a balcony garden that would amaze most peeps.The bathroom was her plants "sickroom".

Anyway Hubby and I would like to network and see about getting a small community together or get some help (a little ways)into the future building our own home .We are willing to help out others and learn differnt things . Just need someone willing to teach us or point us in the right directing.TKS
                                  


Joined: Jan 03, 2011
Posts: 4
Greetings from Red Rock, Ontario.  I'm on the north shore of Lake Superior.  We are currently implementing a permaculture project here that began this spring.  The gardens have been expanded and a new greenhouse constructed.  Growing over 50 different edibles.  Plans for this year are to build another storage shed, a chicken coop and yard which will be a mix of grassland and forest, begin the food forest, construct a cob oven, make a solar food dryer, preserve foods using a wide variety of different methods and possibly begin work on the pond to be located in the food forest.

I took my PDC with Geoff Lawton and Bill Mollison at Melbourne U in 2009.  I then spent a few months WWOOFing around at some different permaculture farms in Aus such as Southern Cross Permaculture, Milkwood Permaculture and the Permaculture Research Institute of Australia or Zaytuna Farm (Geoff Lawton's farm).  I was in South America for most of last year volunteering on permaculture farms in Ecuador, Bolivia and Argentina.

Come check out my site North of Superior Permaculture at www.permafarmer.blogspot.com


My cold climate North of Superior Permaculture site: www.permafarmer.blogspot.com
Kate Nudd


Joined: Dec 09, 2010
Posts: 105
Hi Everyone

Although I presently reside out west,I have plans to buy land in an unorganized township near Thunder Bay.
Know anyone who'd like to share this with me?
I've gardened ( large plots and small) for many years. Now embracing more perma culture ideas and have lots to learn.
Can't wait to use huglkultur beds and the beautifully chaotic forest gardening. My present yard is somewhat that way. Apple trees, berry bushes, and vegetables,with herbs intermingled. It's always fun growing squash and pumpkins in the front yard among wood chip mulch, rose bushes and more herbs. Oh and one lone but quickly spreading goji berry bush.
I have some, and continue to gain, experience in alternative house building ( cob,cordwood, clay/slipnstraw, earthen plaster and floors)
Presently embarking upon the build of a tiny trailer house, wood heated/humanure toilet ( to initially live in on the land)
There's just so much to learn and 'experiment' with.
My present house is up for sale and I would like to begin this next step in my life in spring 2012.

Congratulations on your project nomadcanuck. You're not that far from Thunder Bay. I look forward to following your project.
                      


Joined: Jul 04, 2011
Posts: 2
Hi,

Just joined, and I'm interested.  I'm in Pickering, helping the missus slowly turn our front and back yard into a vegetable garden.  Hoping for some rain, too--we need to refill the barrels.
Laura Jean Wilde


Joined: Aug 03, 2011
Posts: 58
Location: LAKE HURON SOUTHERN SHORE
Hello Ontario Permies!
I had no Idea there were so many permies in this area
We have fifteen Acres near lake Hurons southern Shores in the "other" orchard country. and five years of permaculture developement. Would love to network some more on every aspect of this awsome lifestyle. anybody have any suggestion for frugal 'side' walls for raise beds (hugleculture) containment. the chickens will flatten it otherwise.


Wilde on Turtle Island
Walk Gently on our Mother Earth
Max Tanner


Joined: Feb 26, 2011
Posts: 81
Location: Ontario North and South - right now, moving North Permanently soon. Timmins Cochrane areas
Chicken trampling hugle beds.. LOL

How about some found wood or pallets, deadfalls?


http://wildernessreturn.wordpress.com/
my wilderness return story and adveture
Jay Plant


Joined: Jun 19, 2011
Posts: 8
Location: NW ontario
    
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Hey!  Theres actualy some where around me lol

Im in Thunder Bay, and am starting to dabble in permaculture in my back yard.  I also started to collect seeds from plants around here.  So far I managed to sprout a few silver maples, and have some amur, and norway maple seeds too.

Its hard to grow some things here.  THe zone rating here ranges from a cold 5 (in places) to a zone 2 (by lappe).  Most of the area is zone 3.  For instance, the winter that just past, had a day where the airport recorded -37.8C, where as my house, recorded -31.8 (coldest its been here in  years).

Ive always been more of a, zone pusher.  I have 2 kinds of bamboo (real bamboo, Fargesia Rufa, and Phjyllostachys Aureosulcata alata), Hibiscus (survived last year), musa basjoo some elephant ears (i dig these up) and some others.  But now since ive gotten into permaculture, ive been focusing in creating a forest garden in my back yard (more like turn the backyard into a forest).  I now have a Honeygold apple, a pear seedling (for rootstock if it survives the winter), an apple seedling (same as the pear), a quicksilver russian olive ( 6 foot tree fot 17 bucks, how could I say no?), 4 highbush blueberry (2 types), raspberry plants, and black berries.

Im going to experiment with apricots, and even figs ( they will grow much like peony, die back and regrow, if protected well, thats the experiment there are more then enough cases of them surviving zone 5 with minimal multch to get me to try), as well as certain grape varieties (Himrod and Vanessa).

Glad to see someone else up here trying this
Kate Nudd


Joined: Dec 09, 2010
Posts: 105
Which area of Thundar Bay are you in CP?
I have gardened in southern Manitoba, BC and now Alberta and can relate to the varying growing zones that can be a surprise!
I look forward to hearing more about your growing ventures. I have an indoor fig tree here ,just small still but haven't set it outside. I could see one surviving( maybe even thriving) by a cob garden wall.
When I scouted out land last summer, I was drawn to the south and west of the city in the Nolalu area.
Presently my house is up for sale and I'm building a tiny cottage on a flat deck trailer.I would like to gather a 'community' ( although the word 'alliance' has a better feel for me now) of people to live on an acreage and will put more specific values/ect together over the next few months.

LJ what about using 'urbanite' /old broken concrete bits for the side build up of your raised beds?
Enjoy the day.
Jay Plant


Joined: Jun 19, 2011
Posts: 8
Location: NW ontario
    
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Hey Katee

I live in the east end, basicaly 5 minutes from the mall.  So im as urban as you can get in this city LOL.

Fig trees survive decently down by toronto with a deep multch.  Using a raised stone bed would probably help lots.  Also, ficus caricia is recommended to be planted right next to  your foundation, even better for the zone pushers!!

How long have you been in the area?  There is alot of mixed information about the climate here.  It is really variable depending where you are.  For instance.  My aunt lives 20 minutes from my house, out on highway 11 17.  In november, we got a decent rainfall, only for my aunt to ger a few CM of snow.  My friend out in nolalu, got 2 inches of snow from the same storm.

The lake has a major moderating effect on the climate here.  If your 4 km from the lake you are generaly a zone 4.  You get past oliver road (going west/NW) you instandly drop one zone, to zone 3.    Nolalu is concidered zone 3.  My house is generaly slightly cooler then where the airport is (about 14km inland) in the summer, and the nolalu area  is hotter still.  In the winter, the areas closer to the lake generaly stay warmer and the further you get from the lake, the colder you get, and the more snow (could be a savior for your plants in this area!).  Its gorgeous out there, and there are tons of lakes, and small mountains to mess with the climate, so its really a matter of trial and error.  

If I had to guess ( ive looked into this a bit), the warmest place around here is on the sleeping giant penninsula (good luck getting land in teh provincial park lol), and the southern shores of lake superior.  I specificaly looked at cloud bay.  Its right beside the lake, tons of land, and is a good hour south of the city.  You wuld probably  have a better chance of getting a better zone down there IMO, but the land in nolalu is dirt cheap compared to down by cloud bay ( its a rich cottage and camp area).

The area where I would try to stay away from around here, is going west, to the lappe, upsala, raith areas.  This includes out on john street road and oliver.  This is where the coldest area of the city is.  I talked to a lady that lives out there, and she has trouble with some day lily species.  That alone is a red flag for how cold it can get LOL.  You want to stick as close as you possibly can to the lake shore here ( with in 8 km, but 4 or closer is the best) OR stick to the south of the city.

And ya, community sounds like your trying to make a cult LOL.  Lets stick to alliance lol.
                            


Joined: Aug 10, 2011
Posts: 3
Howdy, I live in downtown Toronto with an interest in Permaculture.

I am not affiliated with any of these sites but I figure they could be helpful. I hope I'm not breaking any rules by posting these links. 


http://www.thepermacultureprojectgta.com/permablitz-service.html

http://www.meetup.com/Transition-BramptonCA/

Fresh City Farms empowers young people to farm organically in the Greater Toronto Area in backyards, front yards and beyond.
http://www.freshcityfarms.com/#

http://transitiontoronto.ning.com/profiles/blogs/transition-toronto-put-in

Dragon's Breath (Biomeiler)

http://tribes.tribe.net/permacult/thread/f0381605-e03f-4ecb-952e-a26b89ef666e

Punk Permaculture E-Zine
http://punkrockpermaculture.wordpress.com/2009/04/27/gaia-punks-in-toronto/
                      


Joined: Aug 24, 2011
Posts: 5
Hi there ,

I live in the GTA currently staying with my mother til my american husband is able to live full time in canada - we have a rather large garden, 3 pear trees, lots of pressure canning experience. I have a strong interest in natural building, specifically cob, interested in ways to tie cob in with hay bale construction inorder to have a good R rating and thus a habitable and sculpted home where ever our homestead may be! also love to bind books!
Patricia Ramirez


Joined: Aug 25, 2011
Posts: 19
Location: Sioux Lookout, ON
WOW! Boy, are my husband and I glad to find you! We live in Sioux Lookout, ON and are currently building our own cob studio on my sisters property. It's 75 sq ft. It is more of a demo of cob, because we are not sure anyone has built cob this far north before and have it hold up to the elements of a Northern Canadian winter.
We have a website if anyone is interested in checking out our progress...
billygoatsgruff.org
I guess I should properly introduce ourselves.
I recently moved back to Northern Ontario with my husband (who is immigrating from the US), and our little 3 yr old little girl from Arizona.
Our dream is to be self sufficient/sustaining. Off the grid!
We found land we want to purchase, but with my husband still in the process of immigration, we want to hold off until we get the green card.
So, we have been searching and found land NEAR Kakekabeka Falls that is unorganized, so we're just waiting,waiting,waiting....and since we have time on our hands, we decided to build a cob home and do some gardening while living with my sister and her family.
We are hoping to be off on our own soon....maybe next spring. Cross our fingers!
So excited to have found a Ontario homesteading website at long last!!! 
                                          


Joined: Sep 07, 2011
Posts: 1
Hi All,
Just signed up. My husband and I are just outside of Guelph. We have only an acre with sheep, chickens, and forest gardens.

Small scale permaculture and micro-farming! Happy to see all the northerners! One day soon I hope to up there too!
                                    


Joined: Sep 08, 2011
Posts: 3
Kenora here,
saving to buy land in unorganized, and lucky to rent an old homestead style house in town.
Chickens and gardens and a small pasture that gets visited by a neighbors horses to keep it tidy.  The phone is on the wall inthe kitchen with a 3 foot cord and a dial and it has a canning storage room, a pantry and an outdoor root cellar and a chicken coop that just needed some love. 

We just want to have a mixed farm and a tiny log home, but most property in this area is tiny lots with giant "cottages" and huge prices.  Land is not available often, so we will wait and save for the day the right one comes along. 

I wish they would open some crown land for farming here.  Not everyone wants a big mansion on the lake or a small lot in a subdivision, and it seems that is all they allow. 

There are probably enough permies to start whole towns if the land was made available.


 
Willow Aelfwine


Joined: Feb 25, 2011
Posts: 10
Location: Keirsteadville, New Brunswick
soulmatenlove wrote:
WOW! Boy, are my husband and I glad to find you! We currently live in Sioux Lookout, ON and are currently building our own cob studio on my sisters property. It's 75 sq ft. It is more of a demo of cob, because we are not sure anyone has built cob this far north before and have it hold up to the elements of a Northern Canadian winter.



http://www.naturalbuildinginstitute.com/
                                    


Joined: Sep 08, 2011
Posts: 3
Cobb sounds great. So nice to know you are 'close' by, lol, by northern standards anyway.
I did some research on cobb in cold climates, and they do a few thing different, deeper, larger foundations, larger roof overhangs, and even using insulation or air spaces for more insulation.
I guess cobb will freeze eventually in our -35 temps, even if it takes awhile to get the mass cold.  then the heat inside and colds walls make condensation. I am sure some sort of insulating core material would work, but a natural material may be hard to find.  So far, strawbale with cobb seems the best for our kind of cold. 
I did a clay oven, but my clay was too silty, too funny, and it collapsed, but not untill i make some great bread in it.  Check your clay/dirt carefully.  I did a test, but I thought the layer was clay, and there was no silt, just sand.  It was more like no clay and sand and silt only.  A second one was much more successful. 
I am a Chef of many years, so an oven was my first choice.
                                  


Joined: Sep 17, 2011
Posts: 5
Location: Gatineau, QC
Hi all! Technically I am in Quebec right now... but i can see Ottawa from across the water 

I am very excited to see so many people doing this so close to home 

I am still living in an apartment, but I am planning my future homestead eagerly! Would love to meet up with some people who can teach my boyfriend and I some homesteading skills first-hand! I am especially interested in learning about cob building, soap making, beekeeping, preserving, as well as wind turbine assembly and usage.

If anyone is doing a cob project nearby next spring please let me know, I would love to volunteer my labour in order to gain some experience.

Cheers 

Lacy VanCam


Joined: Sep 23, 2011
Posts: 42
Hi Everyone!
My urban homestead is in Wallaceburg Ontario. Anyone else from the area? http://vancampenurbanhomestead.wordpress.com we are transforming our yard into a food forest, tasty and fun!
Lacy VanCam


Joined: Sep 23, 2011
Posts: 42
There is a Permaculture course offered by the University of Guelph at Ridgetown campus.
Ed Johnson


Joined: Jan 10, 2011
Posts: 76
Location: Durham region - Ontario, Canada - Zone 5
LacyVC wrote:
There is a Permaculture course offered by the University of Guelph at Ridgetown campus.


Do you have a link? I can't locate one
Lacy VanCam


Joined: Sep 23, 2011
Posts: 42
Sorry, not off hand. I was speaking with someone enrolled in it, at the farmers market this summer.
Travis Philp
volunteer

Joined: Dec 28, 2009
Posts: 951
Location: ZONE 5a Lindsay Ontario Canada
    
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I wanted to let people know that I'm holding garden tours and horse demonstrations on October 15th. I posted another thread about it in this section of the forums if you're interested in the details. Hope to see you there!

                                    


Joined: Sep 24, 2011
Posts: 17
Anyone who is willing to travel to Montreal is willing to join a workshop in straw and clay building next spring.
 
 
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