Hello guys, finally managed to figure out how to activate my account-hurrah!
I would just like to know if anyone knows of any Permies in North Eastern Spain, Tarragona area of Southern Catalonia. I am thinking of buying some land in the area and would like to know if there will be any friendly folk for me to learn from over there.
I wanted to know if you bought some land in tarragona ? Myself and my partner are currently looking at Fincas in that very area. We will return next weekend 15 - 18 feb and have a whole weekend planned viewing farms.
It would be great to hear from other permies in the area.
Joined: Oct 02, 2012
Location: Galicia, Spain Zone 9
There's actually a Permaculture Institute in Tarragona, I am going to be there for the next two months. If you want I can let you know what they have planted there and see about local permie contacts.
Why work hard when god made so many mongongo nuts? - !Kung
The notion that man must dominate nature emerges directly from the domination of man by man - Murray Bookchin
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Joined: Feb 07, 2013
many thanks for the reply !
yea I would be glad of any information about the Institute in Tarragona.
Local contacts are always good to learn and if you know of any rural b&bs in the area as we will be travelling there for weekends untill we find a place of our own.
I know there are lots of places on the web but Im so into learning the permaculture way that that is our preference.
thanks again Jose
Although the english knowledge is getting better in the youngsters; I thing that knowing Spanish or Catalan it's quite an advantatge if you want to live in the area.
PD: I live in the Barcelona Area, north of Tarragona. I'm interested in the permaculture and organic agriculture and homesteading; but at the moment I'm just reading about it.
Joined: Feb 07, 2013
Hi Joan ,
many thanks for yoiur reply and links , great to see the courses offered.
I et yoiur point about being able to speak Spanish and eventually catalonian, Im busy learning spanish altough Im impatient !!
my partner speaks spanish so that helps as we look for the right farm to buy and get our life started in the beautiful catalonian countyside.
we will go again for the weekend of 15 march to see more fincas and hopefully find the right one.
Untill my spanish is up and running Im doomed to check everything o ut in english
Joined: Mar 09, 2012
Location: west London and SW France
My partner Corinne and I are looking to set up an intentional eco-community in Matarranya, just on the southern boarder with Catalunia. We are moving in early June and already have a small network of like-minded people involved in sustainability and permaculture in the area from previous trips.
Please get in touch if you are interested...its always good to collaborate and share!
Lover of Nature, Health and Happiness
Joined: Feb 07, 2013
we are still looking for a piece of land in catalonia and it takes a bit of effort as we live in Amsterdam !
Its nice to know there are some other people interested in Permaculture and indeed to start a net work.
I hope to update soon with a property and a plan to get from teh city to the countryside.
keep in touch
Hey, another Catalan here. It's getting more common to find local initiatives related to permaculture and specially biologic agriculture over here. However, I still see the general permaculture conception too much close to some social movements (which I'm also part of, so it's a mere observation, not a critique). So in many gatherings we do, we often say ironically that each of us is part of too many initiatives at once, and that we should individually concentrate our efforts in few things and do them better, instead of trying to take too many things and sometimes not being able to have enough time for so much.
I love to go to visit some of these initiatives in my spare time, but I'd really love to see here (and it's not just Catalonia or the rest of the Levant, but in Spain in general and neighboring countries) a kind of grassroots movement involving not just socially-conscious people but instead relying more on some kind of individual entrepreneurship spirit like I can see in many of Permies (like me and my family want to buy a land on X and try to make the most of it, etc). Until that time, there's a huge distance between the dream and reality which is far too wide for many of us.
I think the moment of truth will come when we can reach this point where you can find individuals involved in community experiences like those you can find on the links user Joan Pérez posted above, for example, but supported by tens of thousands of individual families spread on the territory and being able to get a living in whatever permaculture activities they do - and not just performing courses, please, which is great for newcomers but it sometimes feels like a ponzi scheme. Anyway, I'm convinced that time will come sooner or later, and I hope to be able to see and to live it.
After lurking for a bit (now and then), I registered today because I'm really curious about where Robo Rosie and Adrian ended up... we're about to move (later this year) to the Matarranya area too.
Joined: Feb 07, 2013
Well Im very happy to say that we’ve found a fantastic piece of land in southern tarargona near the village of rasquera. Its mostly forest and over grown terraces which apparently have not been in use for the last 30 years. This is great as we can see how the land has been evolving on its own.
There are some buildings and they will need to be completely renovated and since it will take a long time for the building licences to go through local councils we expect to move there end of 2015. So we visit the land regularly to make sure we’re not dreaming and that the little corner of paradise is really ours and to make plans how to set it up.
Its great to have some time on our hands to set things up in a good way but the waiting is really the hardest part, we just want to get there and get started !!
we hope to meet like-minded people on the course too and expand on the network
When will you move Sandrine ? what kind of set up will you have there ?
maybe we will be neighbours !!
Joined: Mar 23, 2014
We passed the signs to Rasquera a lot, we're often in Mora. We decided against Catalunya because of the difficulty obtaining building licenses over there... but we'll still have to see how ours goes Where are you living at the moment then?
I saw the PDC course in the Pyrenees - unfortunately, as I'm self-employed, I don't feel comfortable leaving my computer behind for more than a few days (I work through the internet, so I'll be able to bring my work with me to Spain). It looks great though!
We are planning to move there after the summer; our house on the finca won't be finished by then (not even sure that they'll even have started), but at least we'll be able to start working on the land while living in a house in the village. We feel the same as you, we can't wait to get started!
At this moment a building permit application is filed for a house with 2,5 guest rooms; we hope to build a few small casitas on the land in order to house more guests and organise themed vacations for small groups of people (yoga retreats, climbing in Els Sports, that kind of thing). We would like to provide our guests with our own fruit and vegetables, eggs and hopefully more... we're still in the designing stage, not sure what to do first. Although I already have a windowsill full of homegrown plants (and a few failing experiments)... We're also still debating which animals to get, apart from chickens What are you planning to do with your land?
If you're in Rasquera at the beginning of May or after September, we should definitely meet up - funny how here in the city everything more than 10 minutes away is really far, while in Spain we easily drive up to an hour to meet our "neighbours"
Joined: Feb 07, 2013
So are you moving to Aragon ? where about ? yes Mora is the biggest town in the area and all the villages in the valley area are beautiful. We stay with a great couple in Bennisenet when we are there.
Have you taken the ferry near Miravet ? it can take one car across the river , well worth doing !
We were also told that planning permission was difficult but its just another hurdle. Actually there are a lot of forums and online groups so many stories circulate both good and bad. We must have some steely determination !!
We will set up a rustic B&B and also hope to feed the guests from our own land. Our idea has been accepted by the local authorities and is in process so onwards and upwards !!
So do you need to renovate the house on the finca ? or will you build a new house ? great that you can move there so soon. ( jealous !! )
We are living in de Haag at the moment, we moved from amsterdam in september. You are also in the Netherlands ?
We have no plans to go to tarragona at the moment but would defiantly love to come visit and compare our very similar journeys.
Joined: Mar 23, 2014
O yes, we're moving to the Matarranya (province of Teruel, in Aragon). To a little village called Lledo, it's close to Horta de San Joan and had a fabulous view of Els Sports...
We haven't taken the ferry to Miravet yet - ended up at there once at night when the ferry wasn't running. Thanks for the tip, I might do it when I'm there in June with a friend!
On our finca, there is only a very small and old almacen - we will be building a completely new house on a somewhat more convenient location - not 100% according to permaculture principles, as it's quite high up the hill and has the very best view, but it has good access and overlooks the biggest part of the land so we can always see what is going on with the vegetable garden or the animals... will you be renovating only? That's what we planned to do at first (either that or building an earthship), but fincas with a ruin on them turned out to be a lot more expensive than fincas with nothing on them, and it's not more expensive to build a new house from scratch, as far as I've seen so far.
Funny, we live in Amsterdam at the moment! My boyfriend is from Amsterdam originally, I'm from Belgium. Are you Dutch as well?
It’s good to see many likeminded people moving to this area. Myself and my wife (and our little son) are also interested in Catalunya (rather closer to the Pyrenees) and plan to come down to see the area and fincas at the end of September. My wife speaks Spanish and I would need to dust off this language after years of not using it. We both completed the PDC course, my wife also graduated from organic agriculture and is keen to learn more about the regenerative agriculture. That’s why we go to Sweden http://www.integralpermanence.org/sweden-aug-sept-intern.html, to spend 2 months there and learn practical skills.
Will try to contact you separately to find out more about the search process, prices etc. Take care and all the best!