The bags are an open-weave bag that reduces the HDPE by 1/2 compared to normal earthbags. The open weave allows for a joining between bags (no barbed wire on vertical walls), and helps with the stucco application. Lots of benefits to this system.
Ran across that last night myself, and it looks VERY promising. My only real concern is that it would seem you'd need to be more careful about protecting unfinished walls from wet weather than with the feed bags.
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Yeah, it would depend on your climate. All earthbag walls need a protective covering, mostly for the UV damage.
On vertical walls, water doesn't soak in very much, it mostly runs off, and although it could erode a bit, with decent overhangs and a good stucco, you wouldn't have anything to worry about.
To me, it seems like water would affect it less than cob or adobe, mostly because of the netting to hold things in place. It does seem like an interesting development.
Yup - Owen Geiger (who's a hell of a nice guy to correspond with, by the way - as is Kelly Hart) apparently had a contest for folks to find suppliers, and several were located. Anyway, this development has gotten us re-energized about earthbags enough that we've decided that this year's project for the land will be a round earthbag pump house with a reciprocal frame roof. WooHoo!
I think you would be very disappointed in that vexar bag material. Looking at a magnified picture of the bag, this is the sort of bag that you find tomatos and grapes packaged in. This mesh is very weak. What you want is the raschel type bag used in packaging onions and potatos, the kind that looks like shadecloth. This particular weave would retain much more soil than the larger mesh would. Remember, bursting strength is important, as the bags have to be filled and then tamped solid and flat once laid on it's side, making a 5-6 inch thick layer. The bag has to be able to withstand this tamping without bursting, otherwise the benefit of bagging it in the first place is lost.
A study needs to be conducted on different bag materials/weaves to see what is optimal at the best price point.
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Location: zone 7
theres a zoomed in photo, the larger one i see is still way too small. but thanks for the input well taken note. what i really want is that big roll in the photos.
i am just about to begin a long-term apprenticeship at cal-earth september 1, 2012. i know many others at there have spoke for some time about testing different types of bags for superadobe, something i am very interested in. i think the mesh bag idea is very exciting, simplifying the process and making it even more affordable. if anyone here has links or more information regarding suppliers, please post here. better yet, to ensure that i do not miss it, it would be a bonus if you could email me through my blog at shelterspace.org if you find a good contact. i would like to see if perhaps we could do a small prototype while i am at cal-earth this fall. any info is greatly appreciated!
This is the material I would like to use in my project. I plan to build a small hyperadobe structure as soon as I get my materials together. My idea is to coat the walls with cob and then plaster after they are up. I'm hoping to learn a lot from the project and appreciate any pointers in advance.
Jason McFarland wrote:Would there be any disadvantage in using these types of bags in earthbag dome construction?
I am also on the roadway to making a "hyper"/"super" adobe house next spring and I have already been at a workshop where we made a couple of constructions and it wasn't domes that we made. It was straight up walls and surfaces. It didn't dome at all as far as I remember. Very fast and effective way to build a house.. Much faster than previous earth bag constructions. And it becomes a monolithic thing like cob. Very stable! Feel free to ask anything. Lets make this thread a nice pool of knowledge about Hyper/Super Adobe!
I wish I could tell you more about the quality of the tubing, but I haven't had a chance to use it yet and it is about 1500 miles away from me right now. The company I purchased these from was familiar with others using this tubing for building. I'm pretty sure I got the link for this company from one of Owen Geiger's articles on another site.
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