I caught the last half of a show about cattle where the farmer had constructed a freeze proof waterer. From what I could tell he had built a concrete in ground tank outside the berm of a pond. it had a gravity fed float system that released water from the pond into the tank from what I gathered. does anyone have any more details or tidbits about creating and using one of these?
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Jami McBride wrote:So the question becomes can one of these floats shut off the water/pressure from a pond?
Municipal pressure is enough to push water up a few stories, so unless the pond is situated way upslope of the tank, it probably isn't too much.
The water itself might be a problem, though. The valve might clog or corrode, depending on how it's made. Some filtration, and in special circumstances maybe some means of hardening the water, might be a good idea.
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it looked like the waterer was only slightly lower than the surface of the pond so I am not so sure pressure is the problem, although that is certainly something to address. I don't know about the gunking up of a hose. I got the impression that the concrete went almost all the way through the berm to the pond and that it was the thermal mass of the berm and pond and the passive transfer of the heat that kept the water from freezing. I just can't quite picture the float system or the portion where the water actually entered the waterer. it must have been very simple as it appeared there would be no way to access it after the project was complete. although that could be completely wrong and I just couldn't see the access or they didnt elaborate on it.
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Joel, I should have typed shut-off & turn-on - meaning addressing the entire issue of water pressure to operate such a float/valve system.
Yes, sediment and other stuff would be a big issue - good point. I was assuming filtration of some type, but it should be mentioned.
I find the idea of man-made mass to heat the water a great idea, and very Sepp-ish don't you think? One would need those sunny winter days to capitalize on this function.
the sunny day thing would depend on the climate I suppose. this was a locally oriented piece and we just get surface ice on ponds temporarily. I think its the deeper warmer water and the concrete tanks proximity to it that (along with the ground temps) are supposed to do the job.
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well in Michigan where I live unless you have constant flow of intake of water you won't get freezeproof..even if you heat it..bubblers help but when it drops to -20 and lower, they'll still freeze over...i think you are a few zones warmer than we are though
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