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Tokunbo Popoola


Joined: Mar 19, 2013
Posts: 167
Location: Sacramento, CA
    
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I have a log hive we setup to trap random swarms. I took a look at the bee's they are africanized bees. I have nothing against them if it wasn't so hostile since we have such heat in our area and get such big random spikes. I'm worried. The hive is also to close to the road for a hostlie hive. Is there anyway to kill the hive with all hands on deck? My idea was to plug the hole at night then give them something toxic to them but not toxic to me. Then harvest honey larve and all to put in with my wax worm colony. (for the chickens and pigs they are basically insect candy)
S Bengi


Joined: Nov 29, 2012
Posts: 1026
Location: Massachusetts, Zone:6/7, AHS:4, Rainfall:48in even distribution
    
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Dont try and save anything for food or harvest. Just kill/burn bury them all.
Steve Stanek


Joined: May 26, 2013
Posts: 4
Location: Apex, North Carolina
Here is a link about killing them with pressure washer, hot water, and some detergent.
http://www.endtimesreport.com/killing_honeybees.html
http://www.beesource.com/forums/showthread.php?197523-Killing-Africanized-Bees

Not sure if it will work.... Never tried it. It seems reasonable, to saturate them. but a motor powered device might alert them before you have chance to get to them. I was thinking a CO2 extinguisher to freeze them/ suffocate them. You could cover area with plastic at night, then blast them with the co2. Temp may kill them off and protect honey. After done leave covered to keep co2 in there. But the above link said this did not work for someone.

The second link has some good options, but again the soap may contaminate honey (if uncapped).
Again I have or tried any of these but I would think temp extremes of heat too. I would not want mess with them though, I would try to kill them off and forget about the honey
Craig Dobbelyu


Joined: Dec 22, 2011
Posts: 940
Location: Maine (zone 5)
    
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Is it possible to get ahold of some dry ice? I was thinking that you could attack them in the night. Cover the entrance with some window screen so they can't get out and staple it on tight quick. Then just place the dry ice over the hole so the fumes can sink into the hive. The CO2 will kill them and then you can still eat the honey, I would assume. A silent death in the night might be the best option for all involved.


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Jordan Lowery
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Joined: Sep 26, 2009
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Location: zone 7
    
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If you have the gear re-queening the hive won't be hard. We have done it to a few colonies that friends ended up with after swarm catching. Replace her with a known mellow queen. After the live bees mature and die new bees that are of the new queens genetics will come in. That is if it's worth the effort. This talk of killing bees by the thousands is kind of messed up.


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tel jetson
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Joined: May 17, 2007
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Location: woodland, washington
    
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would you consider keeping them if they weren't in an inconvenient/unsafe spot? there are plenty of folks who successfully keep Africanized bees for honey.

there are quite a few products on the market that could drive the bees out. one I've seen that you could make yourself involves bitter almond oil or synthetic almond scent (benzaldehyde) and tea tree oil. I haven't used any of these myself. I would guess that time is of the essence, though. if you can get to them before there's brood, you're odds are much better of getting them out.


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Tokunbo Popoola


Joined: Mar 19, 2013
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Location: Sacramento, CA
    
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tel jetson wrote:would you consider keeping them if they weren't in an inconvenient/unsafe spot? there are plenty of folks who successfully keep Africanized bees for honey.

there are quite a few products on the market that could drive the bees out. one I've seen that you could make yourself involves bitter almond oil or synthetic almond scent (benzaldehyde) and tea tree oil. I haven't used any of these myself. I would guess that time is of the essence, though. if you can get to them before there's brood, you're odds are much better of getting them out.


i would normally keep the whole thing .. but this spot isnt the right place for these types of bees. plus i dont want it in the wild stock..


it's very hard to requeen (hive log). because it dosent split in half it's not a fancy hive log it's just a log with a few "perks" .. and that hive log wasnt like this before. something has changed.
Craig Dobbelyu


Joined: Dec 22, 2011
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Location: Maine (zone 5)
    
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Could the bees just be a little more aggressive now because of some change in their well being? Could they be aggressively protecting the hive because it is under some abnormal stress? How rough was your winter? Could they be low on food?

BTW, I have no idea about bees but I was just thinking about what might make them more pissy than usual.
Tokunbo Popoola


Joined: Mar 19, 2013
Posts: 167
Location: Sacramento, CA
    
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Craig Dobbelyu wrote:Could the bees just be a little more aggressive now because of some change in their well being? Could they be aggressively protecting the hive because it is under some abnormal stress? How rough was your winter? Could they be low on food?

BTW, I have no idea about bees but I was just thinking about what might make them more pissy than usual.


there was no harvest ive checked it again .. same thing. Ive never harvest off it yet or planed to. it's to close to the road and i have no idea where they go. I have a hive farther away that i do have a kinda range for and have never seen pesticide issues inside the hive .. that hive was pretty much suppose to be a "feature" but it's turn into a mess. im in California valley it's blooming something here all year long. we didnt have a super cold winter. it could be things tryin to break into the hive but I looked at the bee's they are euro bees. I think im just gonna plug it then take it to another area pull the broad cells and all find the queen kill the queen and call it a day . i can do most of it with smoke and little luck but it's a log hive... i will be making modifications to it before i put it back so im not in this mess again. it's gonna be a stupid way to fix this mess tho..


thanks for the help i think i have a pretty decent plan and i wont get stung the hell out of. I had a euro swarm and ended with an africanized hive.. which is just weird.. cos i check on them for the most part the bees coming out for the first 3 months were.. not the same half and half mix i have now.. i got a pretty good plan now thanks to a private message. ... thanks everyone. i would have normally requeen but it's in a log.. and it's african so i just dont want to take the stings.. ive got enough already
 
 
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