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katharina noergaard


Joined: Nov 25, 2012
Posts: 2
HI there,

i was wondering if there are people here from germany?
after living in israel for 2 zears now we will move back to germany next winter (and hopefully buy a small homestead).
It would be amazing to have some people around that care about the same things and are interested in all things natural.
We are new to permaculture and think it would be nice to profit from each others experiences.

would be happy to hear from someone
Alexander Duncan


Joined: Nov 24, 2012
Posts: 15
Hello Katharina
Although I am not from Germany my wife is Swiss and we have been to Germany many times.
I have a few German friends that know about permaculture, one family lives just outside Hamburg. About finding like minded people around you, do you mean near your city or just within Deutschland?
Alex
Alexander Duncan


Joined: Nov 24, 2012
Posts: 15
Here is a list of people with a similar heart such like yourselves...

http://openpermaculture.org/pipermail/permaculture_openpermaculture.org/2005-March/000013.html

I hope it helps
Stefan Schwarzer


Joined: Oct 01, 2012
Posts: 8
Hi Katharina,

just came back a couple of hours ago from a Diploma-Initiation-Weekend in Berlin, with the German Academy of Permaculture. They were celebrating along our workshop their 10th anniversary, too. Quite a bunch of people there, really motivated and convinved! I think they have a quite a database on PC guys in the country, as well as a forum and a mailing list. I guess that being member in the association and coming to one of the regular meetings would be a great opportunity to meet permies in Germany.

All the best,

Stefan


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Magenta Vaughn


Joined: Jan 04, 2013
Posts: 5
Hi there.

I'm trying to gain all the experience I can building homes and running them with self sustaining systems. I'll be in Germany next week. I would love to come find you fellow permies and spend a week or two helping with your new home if you are there now!

let me know if you have any interest,
Magenta
Diana Leafe Christian
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Joined: May 17, 2009
Posts: 44
Location: Earthaven Ecovillage, North Carolina; Ecovillages newsletter http://wwwEcovillageNews.org
    
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katharina noergaard wrote:HI there,

i was wondering if there are people here from germany?
after living in israel for 2 zears now we will move back to germany next winter (and hopefully buy a small homestead).
It would be amazing to have some people around that care about the same things and are interested in all things natural.
We are new to permaculture and think it would be nice to profit from each others experiences.

would be happy to hear from someone


Hello, My name is Diana leafe Christian and I'm a communities researcher and I write about them too, talk at conferences, give workshops, etc. I'm not from Germany, but sure do love the German ecovillages I've visited as part of my work. My favorites are Sieben Linden, a large independent-income community near Poppau in the former East Germany. http://www.siebenlinden.de/index.php?id=1&L=0 And Schloss Tonndorf in Turigen, located in a medieval castle, complete with tall (haunted) tower. No kidding! http://www.schloss-tonndorf.de/startseite.html And Kommune Niederkaufungen, a large, old, successful income-sharing commune with 12 different community owned businesses near Kassel. http://www.kommune-niederkaufungen.de/

I just wrote an article for my newsletter, Ecovillages, about the new decision-making method Kommune Niederkaufungen now uses. You can read it at http://www.ecovillagenewsletter.org/wiki/index.php/Kommune_Niederkaufungen%E2%80%99s_New_Decision-Making_Method

Two others worth mentioning are a large, old well-established independent-income community, Lebensgarten, in Steyerberg. I haven't visited it but know it by its good reputation. http://www.lebensgarten.de/

And Projekt Lebensdorf in Freiburg, a forming ecovillage project being started by some friends of mine: http://www.lebensdorf.net/

For folks other than Katharina and non-German-speakers who may read this, almost all of these websites has an English version too; just click the British flag.

Diana Leafe Christian


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Stefan Schwarzer


Joined: Oct 01, 2012
Posts: 8
Dear all and dear Diana,

these communities you mention are really the lighthouse projects in Germany. Great places for community living experience and partly permaculture (as in "agriculture") indeed.

There is a relatively new community in Southern Germany, somewhere between Stuttgart, Nürnberg and Munich, called Schloss Tempelhof. (Unfortunately there is currently no english version available. It's in the process, I think.) And yes, I am living in that place myself, moved here with my family just a couple of weeks back. It started with some 20 people, and now, there are around 80 adults and almost 30 children. Great place, very innovative, really driven to change something - here, in Germany, in Europe, in society and economy. Lot's of seminars around social permaculture, community processes, alternative schools, permaculture, personal development etc.

Next time you're around in Germany Diana, don't hesitate to step by. Would be great to share our experiences with you. We would surely be interested in organising a seminar with you...

Best wishes,

Stefan

Diana Leafe Christian
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Joined: May 17, 2009
Posts: 44
Location: Earthaven Ecovillage, North Carolina; Ecovillages newsletter http://wwwEcovillageNews.org
    
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Oh my gosh, Stefan, I've been to Schloss Templehof! I was there in July of 2011 with my friend Ronny Müller, a co-founder of the Lebensdorf project out of Freiburg. Two Aussies, Paul and Anne, who live in Gulawah Community in New South Wales, were with us too.
We were hosted by Clinton and Marion Callahan, who were two early members, but they've left since then. I'm so glad to hear that things are going well there. What a beautiful place, too! It's rare to find what we call in the States a "turn-key" community, meaning, you just buy the land and buildings and move right in.

For others reading this post, the founders of Schloss Templehof looked for land for years. Then they got the idea to google (in German of course) "village for sale." And voila! one popped up, and they bought it. They bought a whole tiny village, with apartment buildings, a few homes, a kitchen and dining room & meeting room building, and, of course, a schloss (castle!). I was going crazy with history/architecture excitement as I took trains around Germany with Ronny. I learned the difference between a schloss (mansion-style castle) and berg (fortress-style castle). As we tootled around Germany on its fabulous train system, I kept exclaiming "Schloss!" or "Berg!" as I'd spy one out the train window up on mountain crag. I was in architecture-history heaven in Germany. And then there were all these hundreds of square meters of bright blue rushing by just outside the train windows. My jaw dropped. Not lakes, not houses with blue roofs. Whole huge rows upon rows of solar panels. And up on the hills, enormous white slowly turning wind generators three stories high, I swear. I was so impressed with Germany's commitment to off-grid power and ecological sustainability. Light years ahead of us in North America, folks.

Well, at Templehof did a talk and slide show about ecovillages, and then an informal afternoon workshop. It centered on some basic issues which I thought of as "structural conflict" there, which many of the members were concerned with. We did some role-playing and pretending to respond effectively to certain other folks, away from the community at the time, who tended to offer their ideas of what the community should do in authoritarian, ways. I also encouraged people to put more folks on the finance committee, instead of just one person who figured out what to pay and a second signer of checks. I suggested that these important decisions be shared by several different people on a finance committee, and the notes of their decisions be shared with everyone else. So there would be lots of transparency and equivalence, as well as efficiency. Clinton later wrote me and said people were discussing these ideas, and whether or not to implement them. I hope my time there was helpful!

And I'd love to come back to Templehof and do a seminar this summer, as I'll be in Europe from April through July. Thank you so much for asking! Ronny is free to translate for me in workshops we could do on the weekends of July 6-7 and again on July 13-14 (both sides of the GEN-Europe annual conference in Switzerland). (By the way, Ronny is a Permaculture teacher and he teaches and organizes all over Germany and other parts of Europe too.) I'm also free in the first three weeks of June and the last part of July.

Thanks so much again for your post, Stefan.

Diana
 
 
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