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Brandon Minch

Joined: Feb 07, 2012
Posts: 5
Hello! Ive been reading these forums for awhile now but I have yet to post anything.
So here goes: I stumbled across something a few days ago that seems pretty interesting but I can't tell if there is any truth to the matter or not. It's called "Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements." Apparently some people have been using this substance (which I believe is a small amount of powder dissolved in water) once or twice a season on their farms and have seen extraordinary results.


There is a lot of mystic "mumbo-jumbo" floating around about this product. However, I have found some articles that attempt to explain what happens to plants with the introduction of this "superconductive m-state material." (google brings up several right away)

I was considering buying some of this to experiment with in my garden. I figured some investigation was appropriate.

Apparently plants aren't the only things showing positive results. People have been taking it for some time almost always claiming positive results for a seemingly unending list of ailments. I was hoping someone more intelligent than myself might be able to confirm or deny any of these claims either through experience or some other knowledge.
Any help looking into to this would be really appreciated.

Tyler Ludens

Joined: Jun 25, 2010
Posts: 5326
Location: Central Texas USA Latitude 30 Zone 8
Seems to turn up in discussions of alchemy.


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Leila Rich

Joined: May 24, 2010
Posts: 3999
Location: Wellington, New Zealand. Temperate, coastal, sandy, windy,
Welcome to permies Brandon
I had a quick look online, but stopped when I saw "will...allow me to ascend?"
I head pretty fast in the other direction when words like 'proprietary', 'cosmic' and 'power' end up in the same sentence!
Without having read properly, I'd say have a look at sea salts/minerals (especially from seaweed) and paramagnetic rock dusts.
Brandon Minch

Joined: Feb 07, 2012
Posts: 5
Yeah... That's the mumbojumbo I was referring to. I found some actual studies that had been but I'll have to look around again for the link. I'll try to find it this evening
Ben Walter

Joined: Mar 19, 2011
Posts: 92
Location: Deland, FL
I head pretty fast in the other direction when words like 'proprietary', 'cosmic' and 'power' end up in the same sentence!


Sounds like the agricultural branch of scientology
Craig Dobbelyu

Joined: Dec 22, 2011
Posts: 1114
Location: Maine (zone 5)
Be forever skeptical. Watch out for documents claiming to be "scientific studies". Unless it's published in a peer reviewed journal and has undergone rigorous testing, I'd be cautious of anything that makes fantastic claims.

"You may never know what results come of your action, but if you do nothing there will be no result”


- Compost in training
Brandon Minch

Joined: Feb 07, 2012
Posts: 5
Awesome. These people created their own ORMEs and used them to green the desert in Dubai. I guess there really is something to be said for this huh?
Morgan Morrigan

Joined: Oct 16, 2011
Posts: 1400
Location: Verde Valley, AZ.
I gotta call BS on this.

Am doing lots of studies on isotopes and shell energy exchanges on the Brillouin Energy Co's LENR device, and at least they have some science to back their claims up.

claiming that chaos and fractals have anything to do with this is a big stretch. Is more likely just an effect of mixing the water and minerals, rather than letting it stratify and over and under applying because of it. Notice that they add stuff "every morning" and are using an "imploder" , just shows they are mixing well, and prob getting fewer oxides because they are not allowing it to stay in contact with the regular water for long periods. Just like compost tea, the fresher, and fewer oxides, the easier it is for cells to uptake it.
And maybe the "dietrius" is actually phytoplanktons and diatoms, some of the base of the food chain. think that counts as fertilizer.


this is most likely related to the bio-chars ability to trap and hold moisture, vitamins, and minerals.

the other key they discuss is "deep ocean alkalinity". Deeper water holds LESS alkalines, and more freshwater and deitrius. Might also be a difference in the "salts" that are available too.
ocean water also has LOTS more radionuclides and rare earths than sand, so there may be some element forcing happening from that with a little bit of electrical field, but you need enough to "pulse" electrons up valence shells, and that won't happen unless you are getting induction into your (long) wires from the sun doing lots of sunspot and flare activity anyway.

You could easily get the same benefits from making your own activated charcoal, and watering in extra magnesium, and maybe some trace of lithium.
don't add anymore metals tho, you get plenty from ground or tap water.

go buy some epsom salt.

And the PGM group is totally inert to biologicals, and typically have contaminants of silver, copper, vanadium, and nickle. all of which are death to micro-organisms.

Magnesium needs to be about 4-1 to calcium, and gets burned up, and locked up much easier than sodium or calcium, which is constantly recycling thru plants and insects.

I have bought a broad spectrum myco mix for trying to get desert soil a little more life, and you have to be careful adding it to young starts, it has overwhelmed a lot of my seedlings when i watered it onto the starts.

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pete samson

Joined: Sep 30, 2012
Posts: 20
Location: central european territories
This is the answer. Ignore the morons, inept, scammers, etc.


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