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Michael Leiber


Joined: Jan 15, 2012
Posts: 4
I need help finding an herbal alternative. I have issues with stress, anxiety, and depression to a point that it's affecting my marriage and my interactions with others. Over the weekend a friend came over and while she was here she gave me some medication telling me that it would calm me. To be honest I felt the calming effect of marijuana without the high. My wife said while I was on the medication I was "cool". When I asked the friend what she gave me she told me it was Lorcet Plus. After searching online I discovered that is a narcotic pain medication consisting of hydrocodone and acetiminophen. I don't want to take pain pills and risk becoming addicted to them and I thought for sure there would be an herb or two that would provide me with this same calming effect without taking illegal narcotics or developing an addiction! Please help!!!
Tyler Ludens
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I have had good success with Lemon Balm, Chamomile and Passionflower/Passionvine teas. Some people find they are helped by Valerian, though I found it gave me a "hung over" feeling the next day, it also smells bad.

If you're sedentary, taking a moderate walk can help with anxiety, if you can find a relatively quiet place to walk, like a park or country road. Some people are relaxed by a daily long hot bath.

Please check with your physician before taking any kind of drug, even those given by friends. In fact, if you're having severe anxiety and depression, it might be good to talk to your regular medical doctor about it.

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Michael Leiber


Joined: Jan 15, 2012
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I'm not that sedentary. My problems are more manic than anything. I have bouts of happiness sometimes and bouts of anxiety others. It doesn't take much to set me off sometimes. The interesting thing about me is often times depressants act as stimulants.

As far as checking with a physician, you can skip that. I don't have much money and I don't have insurance. I also prefer natural remedies over chemical ones, which is another reason why I came here and didn't go see a doctor.
P Thickens


Joined: Jan 15, 2012
Posts: 177
Location: Bay Area, California (z8)
Michael Leiber wrote:I'm not that sedentary. My problems are more manic than anything. I have bouts of happiness sometimes and bouts of anxiety others. It doesn't take much to set me off sometimes. The interesting thing about me is often times depressants act as stimulants.

As far as checking with a physician, you can skip that. I don't have much money and I don't have insurance. I also prefer natural remedies over chemical ones, which is another reason why I came here and didn't go see a doctor.


Sounds like ADD and manic/depressive disorder. How old are you, how much sunlight are you getting, and how much large muscle movement (serious, involved exercise) do you get in a day?
Michael Leiber


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P Thickens wrote:Sounds like ADD and manic/depressive disorder. How old are you, how much sunlight are you getting, and how much large muscle movement (serious, involved exercise) do you get in a day?


I'm 29. I was diagnosed with ADHD as a kid. I do still have issues consistent with ADD such as difficulty focusing on conversations or tasks, problems with short term memory, and occassional brain fog. I've struggled with depression off and on most of my life, but I don't get into the deep self-injury or suicidal depressions the way I used to when I was young. I've wondered if it was manic, especially since I am sometimes overly sensitive and get angry or sad easily and others is as if I'm almost completely numb to my feelings, but I've never been officially diagnosed with it. I don't get a lot of sunlight because I work nights, but I've been trying to get out during the day whenever I can. That's a lot harder with the shorter winter days we're having. Within the last few months I've started doing cardio an hour a day 2-4 times a week as I can fit it in and light workouts (push-ups, crunches, ect.) about 3 times a week. On top of that I've changed my diet and experienced significant weight loss for the short time I've been dieting. The diet and exercise seems to be helping my energy levels and cognition but I'm still having issues with the anxiety. Lately the anxiety has been even worse due to some recent, emotionally devestating events in my life. I know some people smoke marijuana to help with this, but I can't because it makes me lazy and messes with my cognition and my memory.
Tyler Ludens
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I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, as was my sister, who has been hospitalized several times due to extreme depression. So I know it is hard. I also know about not wanting to take medications. I'm not currently taking antidepressants. Personally I found it easier to deal with my illness with medical help, but if you can't afford to go to a physician, I can understand. Just so you understand you might have a serious potentially life threatening medical condition, like diabetes or heart disease. I certainly hope you'd get medical help for those conditions. You might want to look into Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, which you can do with a loved one's help. There are some workbooks for it available. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is basically learning to retrain your thoughts and behaviors so you become aware of how they interact to cause your feelings. It's good that you're getting some exercise. Avoiding noisy stressful situations is helpful also or any situations with too much stimulation, which can trigger mania. The most important thing I've found as has my sister, is the need for regular sleep. Working nights may actually be the main problem, if you can't sleep well during the day. If I have even one bad night's sleep, I get worse symptoms. Those herbs I listed are all good for helping one sleep.
Faith Smith


Joined: Dec 27, 2011
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No cost you might want to look into fastereft.com, lots of youtube examples =) Fai
Sharol Tilgner


Joined: Dec 30, 2011
Posts: 12
Location: Pleasant Hill, Oregon
Following is a general formula for depression and anxiety. It is best though if you find a holistic practitioner to assist you.

ANTIDEPRESSIVE FORMULA
St. John’s wort Hypericum perforatum 25-40%
Kava kava Piper methysticum 15-30%
Oats Avena sativa 10-20%
Siberian ginseng Eleutherococcus senticosus 15-30%
Skullcap Scutellaria lateriflora 5-10%
Chamomile Matricaria recutita 5-10%
Schisandra Schisandra chinensis 5-10%
Lavender essential oil Lavandula officinalis to taste
Orange essential oil Citrus aurantium to taste
Actions:
This formula is a restorative tonic for the nervous system. It is an antidepressive formula that brings a sense of peace and relaxation through the olfactory action and the effect from internal consumption.
Indications:
This formula is used for mild to moderate depression. It should be used long term for best results. It is also helpful for Attention Deficit Disorder.

Profiles of herbs used in this formula:
St. John’s wort, Hypericum perforatum, is a nervine, anti-inflammatory, sedative and trophorestorative. It is used for depression, fear, insomnia, anorexia, anxiety or feelings of worthlessness, nerve pain and night terrors. St. John’s wort should be used long term for these effects.
Kava kava, Piper methysticum, is a sedative, hypnotic, antispasmodic, analgesic, anti-inflammatory and mildly anticonvulsant. It is used to relieve anxiety, stress, insomnia, tension headaches, Attention Deficit and Hyperactivity Syndrome and general pain from muscle spasms or inflammation. Research has shown individuals are able to maintain cognitive functions when using kava kava, unlike most sedative or hypnotic drugs.
Siberian ginseng, Eleutherococcus senticosus, is an adaptogen. It helps the body adapt to stressful situations of many types whether from internal or external causes. It increases endurance and concentration and enhances oxygen metabolism in tissues and organs. This herb strengthens digestion, kidneys and enhances overall resistance to disease. It is supportive to the adrenal system and other bodily functions.
Skullcap, Scutellaria lateriflora, is a sedative, antispasmodic, hypotensive, nervous system trophorestorative and cerebral vasodilator. It is used for insomnia, restless sleep, agitation, nervous exhaustion and nervous system weakness after prolonged illness. Skullcap is indicated for nervous irritation of the cerebrospinal nervous system.
Chamomile, Matricaria recutita, is anti-inflammatory, antispasmodic, analgesic, carminative, sedative and stomachic. It is a restorative tonic for the nervous system. Chamomile is used as a mild sedative for nervousness and nightmares and is especially nice for infants and elders that are restless when attempting to sleep.
Oat, Avena sativa, is a slow-acting nourishing nervine. Oat has been used in breaking addictive habits with substances like morphine, opium, alcohol, nicotine and coffee. It is also used for insomnia, nervousness and an irritated nervous system caused by exhaustion or stress.
Schisandra, Schisandra chinensis, is a hepatoprotective, immunomodulator, adaptogen and a cholagogue. It increases brain efficiency, work capacity and builds strength. This is in this formula because of its multisystem support. It is useful in insomnia, night sweats, prolonged diarrhea and immunodeficient states.
Lavender, Lavandula officinalis, is a spasmolytic, anti-inflammatory and carminative. It is used for nervous excitement, exhaustion and insomnia.
Orange essential oil, Citrus aurantium, has an aroma that is relaxing and uplifting. The aroma is taken into the body by the olfactory nerve and affects the limbic system of the brain.


It is important to note that St. John's Wort can effect many drugs by increasing or decreasing the amount of drug in your body. It effects drugs that are processed by the cytochrome p450 system. So if you are on drugs that effect this detox pathway, don't use it. If you don't know, don't use it.
Also if you make this formula up yourself, don't add more than a few drops of essential oil per oz of tincture. Saint John's wort is not effective as a tea and it is the main ingredient so I don't suggest this as a tea if you make it up.

You can read more about these individual herbs on my website where I have posted a free materia medica.: http://www.herbaltransitions.com/BotanCom.html I wish you well.

Good luck and definitely find someone who can give you advice specific to your situation as this is just general information we are all providing and not specific to you.


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P Thickens


Joined: Jan 15, 2012
Posts: 177
Location: Bay Area, California (z8)
Michael Leiber wrote: I'm 29. I was diagnosed with ADHD as a kid.


This is why depressants act as uppers, and stimulants bring you down. Very common. This will probably not change.


Michael Leiber wrote: I do still have issues consistent with ADD such as difficulty focusing on conversations or tasks, problems with short term memory, and occassional brain fog.


Dr. Amen talks here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kacZ7eWpe8k&feature=related about what happens in the ADHD brain and how he treats it. Watch the all the segements -- at the end he talks about natural treatments for the different cases he discussed.


Michael Leiber wrote: I don't get a lot of sunlight because I work nights, but I've been trying to get out during the day whenever I can..


Sitting in the light from a bright window also works very well. The next time you have some time off, try to get about 20 minutes of sunlight (or more) during the day. Vitamin D, naturally absorbed, has a lot of effect on people's moods and regulation of same.



Michael Leiber wrote: That's a lot harder with the shorter winter days we're having. Within the last few months I've started doing cardio an hour a day 2-4 times a week as I can fit it in and light workouts (push-ups, crunches, ect.) about 3 times a week.


A very well-reviewed study has recently shown that those with mild-to-moderate depression respond to large muscle movement just as well as they do to drugs. That is, medication has the same effect as a lot of exercise. Take a big strong walk. Bike around town. Paint a room. Those large movements really help... they help me.
Michael Leiber


Joined: Jan 15, 2012
Posts: 4
Thanks! You guys have given me a lot to think about and look into! I didn't really expect to get such great response I have noticed exercise (like running, treadmill, or elliptical) does seem to elevate my mood, as well as getting out in the sun more, and getting more sleep. I'll definitely check into the supplements more, and maybe when I get a better job and start making more money I'll check into holistic care.
Tyler Ludens
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The thing that helps me the most is working outside in the garden.
marina white


Joined: Feb 04, 2012
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I like SAMe for depression, plus it helps my joints. I usually get mine at iherb, from the brand Source Naturals: http://iherb.com/p/2466?at=0&rcode=wem479
Fred Morgan
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One thing that has been shown to make a remarkable difference besides sun and exercise is fish oil, about 4 or so capsules a day. My wife swears by it. It seems that for many people, it is a lack of Omega 3. Do some searches, it has been shown that taking fish oil is as effective, often as things like Zoloft, but without the sideeffects. The only side effect I know of is fish burbs, but that eventually goes away. There are some preparations that are supposed to get rid of this, too.

Sometimes the right solution is to find out the root cause instead of trying to deal with symptoms. Isn't that the point of permaculture?


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George Lee


Joined: Mar 15, 2011
Posts: 528
Location: Athens, GA/Sunset, SC
lots of omega 3s from various sources (flax seed, fish oil, walnuts)

niacin (vit b3) has shown to completely reverse depressive bouts/thoughts (b vitamins are energy producers/regulators) brown rice, peanuts, fish, liver, chicken, tomatoes

there's no medicine like exercise, and i don't mean just walking.. I mean running, high intensive if possible

I 'm on the 'tabata' protocol http://www.tabataprotocol.com/ nothing terribly fancy but cuts time by more than half for time spent exercising

japanese researchers found the short intervals and heartrate was as good as 45-1hr of moderate exercise in far less time

I'm in the best shape i've ever been in

again, no medicine like a dedicated exercise regime for mood regulation, loss of unneeded fat, building of muscle along with complete diet


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nancy sutton
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Not an herb, but maybe 'natural' when achieved by ... meditation, single point focus, 'drawing on the right side of the brain', 'Flow', etc. An article from this week's The Week magazine.

http://theweek.com/article/index/226196/how-electrical-brain-stimulation-can-change-the-way-we-think

This is from one comment ("Dr. Fugedy") .....

" ....I have used tDCS to provide relief for treatment-resistant chronic pain, migraine and depression for the last 5 years ..."



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gani et se


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Hypericum perforatum (st. johns wort) can cause photosensitivity in some people. Just something to be conscious of.


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S Haze


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I've read that basswood blooms can be prepared to help with insomnia and mood problems. Has anyone here tried this or had experience harvesting from the tree. So far the basswood trees here just seem to have a bit of leaf starting to bud out and it doesn't look like any sort of flower or seed bearing parts. I've never before noticed that they're one of the later trees to leaf out around here, gotta love learning new things!


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Jeanine Gurley
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I love my Valerian root so much that I am now growing it at home. I can take it occasionally or once or twice a day for a couple of weeks. There are a very few studies that have been done on adults and children where Valerian replaced the pharmacuticals they were taking - a little googling could give you some insight on that.

Some people say that it just makes them sleepy but I have found (for me) that taking a scheduled dose during periods of high stress kind of levels me out and helps me cope.

I have not been able to find any problems with long term dosage or interactions with other drugs - but that doesn't mean there aren't any! I like to find at least 3-4 independant sites that say the same thing before I try a new herb just to be safe.


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Shawn Harper


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I also have ADHD, I recommend coffe twice a day if you aren't already. Once in the begining of our day and once about 9 hours before you sleep.


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mary liu


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Not only green tea but also there other varieties of teas which are known to help fight depression and anxiety, One good resource is this: types of tea to fight depression and anxiety
Betty Lamb


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Michael Leiber wrote:I need help finding an herbal alternative. I have issues with stress, anxiety, and depression to a point that it's affecting my marriage and my interactions with others. Over the weekend a friend came over and while she was here she gave me some medication telling me that it would calm me. To be honest I felt the calming effect of marijuana without the high. My wife said while I was on the medication I was "cool". When I asked the friend what she gave me she told me it was Lorcet Plus. After searching online I discovered that is a narcotic pain medication consisting of hydrocodone and acetiminophen. I don't want to take pain pills and risk becoming addicted to them and I thought for sure there would be an herb or two that would provide me with this same calming effect without taking illegal narcotics or developing an addiction! Please help!!!


Valerian Root tea, it's stinky but it's calming, not addictive, it supports your nervous system. When my father in law passed away my husband's anxiety was very high and the tea soothed him- it's good in a crisis (and before bedtime). Another one when you are under high stress is Sam-E it is an amino acid that supports your brain - it makes the thinking not so hard.

Of course to get to the root of your anxiety is the cure. I use a meditation that helps me to be objective, and stay "present". For me I find sorting out hidden resentments that I am feeling go a long way in dealing with the anxiety. Also (and this is just from my personal experience) when I find I've let myself be bullied, when I betrayed my conscience and not stood up to someone for whatever reason, this is a huge cause of anxiety. Going along with something I don't want to do just to get along with someone else is another huge anxiety.




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Burra Maluca
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Thanks for sharing that.

I've embedded the youtube video below.



I have to admit, whilst I found the music very soothing, the voice-over had totally the wrong effect for me.


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