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Leah Sattler
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July 06, 2008, 05:11:50 AM

Now how's that for a thread title!? what sorts of plants have potential for harvest as calorie or substinence foods. There is lots of talk about tea and greens but I like to develop a mental list of things to look for that can do more than tide someone over for a few days and could actually contribute to long term dietary calorie needs. The closest things I can think of are nuts and possibly some fruit. tubers?Huh
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July 06, 2008, 05:43:49 AM

Now how's that for a thread title!? what sorts of plants have potential for harvest as calorie or substinence foods. There is lots of talk about tea and greens but I like to develop a mental list of things to look for that can do more than tide someone over for a few days and could actually contribute to long term dietary calorie needs. The closest things I can think of are nuts and possibly some fruit. tubers?Huh

Tubers:
Soloman Seal

Jerusalem Artichoke
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July 07, 2008, 05:08:32 AM

thanks! that is the sort of thing I was looking for. I actually  somewhat regretfully planted some jeruselum artichoke last year and I can see how it likely occurs wild, that stuff is a weed! (in a somewhat good way I just chose the wrong place for it). I'm going to have to keep my eye out for the solomon seal. It looks as if it is fairly easy to identify and very common. http://www.illinoiswildflowers.info/woodland/plants/solomon_seal.htm
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August 20, 2008, 12:56:06 PM

Also: Cattails (Typha latifolia) have tons of carbs, the rhizome can be ground up and made into a flour. Or in a backwoods setting, just cooked and eaten.

Burdock (Arcitum minus) also packs a good punch. The edible root (or even the seeds) have protein and carbs. 

Just in case you can't find j. chokes out in the woods Wink
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August 20, 2008, 06:10:06 PM

FWIW:  sunchokes make great pig feed that the pigs can harvest themselves.
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August 20, 2008, 08:42:15 PM

Another great wild edible for calories is dock (Rumex crispus). The seeds can be collected from late summer to late fall and are also a great source of protein and iron. I love adding them to oatmeal, pancakes, or just sprinkling them on some apple sauce.
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August 21, 2008, 06:19:33 AM

I know that we are trying to dodge greens, but I think netttles in the spring are extra filling.  Most greens are not all that filling.
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August 22, 2008, 10:12:25 AM

So I just gathered some dock seeds yesterday, tons of them are ripe right now. But palatable? uhhh, they're kind of papery and with a bitter aftertaste. Jason, do you toast them first? or winnow away the papery-coat?
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August 24, 2008, 05:07:43 PM

Amendment: I tried the dock seeds on my morning oatmeal. The moisture in the oatmeal made the papery skins a non-issue. I couldn't really taste them: just extra crunchy bits.

It was nice to know I was getting extra nutrients from the seeds, but it was pretty neutral eating experience.

It was though Very easy to harvest this time of year. What would be impressive is if I could make a whole morning porridge out of the dock seeds. But the bitterness.....

That's the next experiment
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Leah Sattler
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August 25, 2008, 06:17:59 AM

thanks for being the guinea pig! will keep my eye out for dock. I just want to catalog and locate some wild sources of food in my brain for emergency backup mostly.
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August 26, 2008, 11:47:51 PM

Nevermind Leah!

I just read a bit more about dock in Agroforestry News. It says that because of the papery-ness, and that the bitter means that they're high in tannins, it's actually not so good to eat a lot of it. They said it was more of a famine food. What! After all the experimenting!

I still might try it, soaked. I've heard that many tannins in acorns can be soaked away with multiple water changes. But seeing the article definitely put a damper on my enthusiasm.
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August 28, 2008, 05:48:48 AM

well darn! sounded promising. I have read about leaching the tannins from acorns too. I wonder if it would work for dock?
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September 17, 2008, 04:27:38 PM

If you want to wildcraft for calories I think you are on the right track looking at nuts. I'm not sure where you are, but I'd be looking at acorns, walnuts, butternuts, hazels, chestnuts, and chinquapins depending on your location. Bear in mind that acorns were a primary calorie source for many native people in North America. They require some processing and some are better than others, but I've had really tasty acorn flower wildcrafted in California.

If you want to go a step further into the realm of horticulture you can even find selections of these wild nut trees with bigger, better, or easier to process nuts. Check out Oikos Tree Crops (http://oikostreecrops.com), Badgersett Research Farm (http://www.badgersett.com/), Burnt Ridge Nursery (http://burntridgenursery.com/), Nolin River Nursery (http://www.nolinnursery.com/), and Red Fern Farm (http://www.redfernfarm.com/).

You also mentioned tubers. I suspect that if you harvested them responsibly and helped to ensure future harvests you could get quite a volume of calories from Camas, Wapato, and Spatterdock.

Finally, if you want to harvest something wild for calories I'd suggest considering deer. Most parts of the US have pretty dense populations due to predator extermination. Deer are about the most concentrated source of wild calories and protein I can imagine.

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September 22, 2008, 06:16:56 AM

I was thinking Along the lines of plants. Venison and turkey are plentiful and easily hunted and are a first option but don't provide some necessary bulk and nutrition in the diet. wild pig is available too I don't hink there is even a limit, but I have never had that and I am just a little irked I guess because of the whole trichinoses thing. A freind of mine killed a momma once and brought the two piglets to stay at the stables I worked at. Those things were kinda scary!
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Others need its cheer and so do you-
Need it most when outer sky's dull gray
Leaves the sunshine-making yours to do.
                -"scatter sunshine" Jaunita Stafford
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October 08, 2008, 05:38:08 PM

If you wanted to try camas, you'd best harvest while they're still blooming.  The blue-flowered ones (Camassia quamash) are edible, the white-flowered ones (Zigadenus species) are deadly.

Sue
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